WW #41. New Horizons.

[Serdoa]

I'd like to look at it from another perspective. We very much currently are set on what abilities were used, how scum would have done this or that because of sensor and so on. But frankly, as scum I believe there are so many possibilities that abilities work against you in this game + we don't know if and what they have to defend against these that I feel it becomes a futile attempt trying to unravel the logic behind their potential actions.

Therefore, lets look at what we know so far with some certainty or under which conditions:

- Rowain is 3rd party if AdrienIer is not scum
- One of zak, novice, AdrienIer is scum if Lewwyn is not scum
- One of Bacchus, Serdoa, Gazglum is scum if Lewwyn is not scum

We also know (if people are not lying)

- Serdoa used Redirection from him to Rowain
- AdrienIer used Background Check on Serdoa
- Lewwyn used Sensor
- Gazglum was blocked
- zakalwe was blocked

I don't think Rowain, novice or Bacchus told us what they did. I would like to ask for clarification what you did, especially from Bacchus and novice.

Furthermore, Bacchus made this claim, that he was asked about but never explained:

In this power sadness game, it really sucks to have lost the tracers/watchers.

How do you know that?

[zakalwe]

To be clear, Gazglum pitched Rowain as a member of the EFL. That's not really believable, in my mind. Arguing that Rowain is a plausible serial killer would be much less of a stretch.

[zakalwe]

In terms of actions, what I was trying to do on N1 was to boost my own vote.

Gazglum hasn't told us what he was trying to do, AFAIK. Or any of his abilities.

I have claimed weighted voting / jettison interruption, but not my other pair of abilities. Collating all of this information would probably be a good idea, indeed.

[Gazglum]

I originally said I believed Rowain to be 3rd party. Then I honed him in on him because all he was doing was discussing himself, but without giving away any information. So I saw the 3rd party claim as a potential cover to give him something to talk about, to allow him to not live up to his town game but still keep himself in play until Day 2 or 3 by saying 'I am village aligned 3rd party'.

Another reason to claim 3rd party as scum would be if he had different abilities, and was worried about what to do in a mass claim. This is an unusual game in that we know all possible village abilities, so if scum had a different set it might lead to a different play.

But I only suggested Rowain for scum because of the way he played Day 1. I didn't like that he seemed to be squabbling with Serdoa, but not voting him. Suggesting that he didn't think Serdoa was scum, but wanted to keep making noise in that direction. So I saw his play as scummy, and thus considered it possible that the claim was a gambit. After he played deadline like town Rowain and was then cleared by Adrien, I dropped it.

[Gazglum]

I haven't told, and nor have Bacchus, Novice or Rowain as you say. I am willing to mass claim if people want.

[Gazglum]

Oh, and in a 10 player game a serial killer seems less plausible to me than scum trying some risky plays to just make it past Day 3 for the win.

[Lewwyn]

Lewwyn, now you have heard from Zak, what do you think?

Jeez. Zakalwe is making this hard. I still think it could be Adrien. But reading Zak facsimile of logic is just making me crazy.

[Serdoa]

I have re-read AdrienIer, but I just don't get a handle on him. Most posts are just so short that it is hard to judge them. I'd appreciate if those voting him could explain their reasons (again).

[novice]

- One of Bacchus, Serdoa, Gazglum is scum if Lewwyn is not scum

Why is this?

I didn't use my lockdown ability on N1. No comment on my self-targeting abilities.

[zakalwe]

Let's say SK as in a 3rd party with an anti-town victory condition, then. The setup could be adapted to keep the kill count low. My point is, distrusting Rowain is fine, but arguing that he's EFL is a bit too much.

Personally, I think we're past the point where a mass claim will be effective in catching scum. But it would be useful to collate the claims that have been made. If Serdoa is working on that I won't duplicate his efforts, though.

Whoever gets lynched today should also make sure to claim his full set of abilities and actions before he bites it. That information will be lost once you're dead.