(May 14th, 2015, 11:42)Ellimist Wrote: Northstar, you misunderstand. The other four players have decided not to continue with you. We have every right to do so. Insisting that we don't was never going to change anything.
No. You did it, and got away with it- but morally what you did was just despicable and you had no right to do it.
(May 14th, 2015, 11:42)Ellimist Wrote: We gave you every opportunity to improve.
We asked you to become more reliable/punctual and you refused.
We asked you to find a helper and you refused.
Lies, lies, and lies.
First of all, I never refused. I stated several times I was doing my best to work on the turnaround times, and the last week of play was good testament to that. The improved reliability had *almost nothing* to do with Old Lion. Most turns he played I was, as I said, ready to play the turn just a few hours later that evening (and sometimes had to, when a replay was necessary).
Second, I said I would keep an eye out for a helper, and was (after some convincing) receptive to you finding one for me- provided I was allowed to vet him/her.
Third, you never gave me *ANY* opportunity to improve. Giving somebody opportunity to improve is when you actually give them credit for something turning around, and reward that. Not ignore any way things got better and pretend it didn't happen. Your only possible legitimate beef with me this entire game (*you* caused the drama, I only participated in it- and *you* forced Old Lion on me, with predictable results) has been my slow turn-times, and yet they drastically improved in the week or so leading up to when you removed me from my own game. Rather than rewarding progress, you punished it- which is the OPPOSITE of giving somebody the opportunity to improve.
(May 14th, 2015, 11:42)Ellimist Wrote: We found a helper for you and you refused to share your password.
We provided your password to him and you threatened to sue.
We asked you to please work with Old Lion as a team and you refused to let him make any independent decisions at all.
You mean you hacked my password without my permission while I was still vetting Old Lion to see if he would make a good partner?
Old Lion didn't even *TRY* to make any independent decisions. The turns he botched were NOT *decisions* he made- they were obvious things he simply carelessly forgot to do.
Things like (and spoilers mean nothing at this point, since you guys have hacked and voted your way out of playing against me anyways...) simply forgetting to swap into Agrarianism after I finished researching Calendar (he took over on the first turn after I finished it), forgetting to reassign citizens after city-growth, forgetting to reassign citizens after completion of a Settler, and moving a Scout directly towards where I had just spotted a Griffon (which, in fact, my Scout had just spent a long string of turns running away from back to my territory) that I *EXPLICITLY WARNED* Old Lion not to move back towards (ironically, I had asked him where he would move that Scout when I was vetting him as part of a short "quiz" I put him through as part of my vetting process, and as I felt the question might seem too hard, had told him there "was no wrong answer" *except moving directly towards the Griffon*, as long as he had some kind of reason for his decision...) The last of these was the cause for the wasted Scout-turns that I mentioned in the first revert, as I had to backtrek the Scout to avoid him getting eaten by a Griffon.
If those were "decisions" rather than simple forgetfulness then Old Lion would have had to have been completely incompetent to make them. I don't believe he *intentionally* did any of those things, however- but those and other mistakes he made showed he wasn't capable of operating independently. I tried to vet him as a potential partner, but you went over my head and HACKED MY PASSWORD and gave it to him, simply because you got impatient with how long one of my turns was taking and you were disrespecting my right to choose if and who I would have as a partner rather than having one I did not vet forced on me...
Old Lion is a player who (sadly) would NOT have passed my vetting process as a potential partner. His actions gave very clear testament to this- including doing something I explicitly warned him would be a failing-choice on my vetting "quiz" (moving towards the Griffon- but I never expected he would actually get the save and be able to *ACT* on such a stupid decision), and neglecting to do something incredibly obvious that was one of the necessary pass-conditions on my quiz (I told him the situation, including that I had just discovered Calendar- and asked him what he would do next. Any "passing" answer would have had to include something about swapping into Agrarianism in the next few turns...)
I grade tests for a living (as by far the largest of my current three jobs), so it's not surprising that I would put Old Lion through a few tests to see if he was qualified. His actions can be assumed to have been equal to answers, and were an overwhelming "NO". Thus, if you had respected my independence and shown a reasonable level of patience, I would have vetted Old Lion and asked you for another potential partner- somebody more experienced and/or careful at playing Fall from Heaven. My instincts were *right on the bat* with regards to wanting to vet Old Lion before accepting him- I had a good inkling of the sort of careless and inexperienced player he turned out to be...
(May 14th, 2015, 11:42)Ellimist Wrote: The timing of Old Lion's "I'm done" post came 13 hours after my "I'll post tomorrow" post. My evaluation post would not have been substantially different if I had posted it one day earlier. It was very predictable that Old Lion would not continue indefinitely with the way you were treating him. I am surprised that he tolerated it as long as he did.
By your own evaluation post I passed the majority of your "conditions". You can't pretend it was the reason you removed me from the game. You did so because I refused to put up with the antics of a careless and inexperienced partner that YOU FORCED ON ME. I had the *right* to refuse to work with Old Lion, or to harshly criticize his mistakes since I never choose him in the first place. You *did not* have the right to hack my password, or to remove me from my own game.
I'm through with this Ellmist and Kragroth. Your behavior has just been despicable. Incorrigible. Immoral and unjustifiable. You've made all sorts of excuses (I "created too much drama"- even though your arguing to remove me from the game for the past two weeks were the only thing creating drama), but the bottom line is that you hacked a password (an illegal action and technically a minor crime), tried to FORCE a player to have a partner against his will, misrepresented words and tried to twist them against the person who said them (I *NEVER* refused to improve my turnaround times, for instance- in fact I repeatedly assured you guys they would be improving several times, and then acted on those assurances with great reliability for the last week of play...), and then voted a player out of the game he started by repeatedly calling for such votes until the more ethical holdouts (Saruman and Tasunke) who initially voted against it (the FIRST time you tried to remove me) eventually caved and bowed to your desire to do such a despicable and unjustified thing...
You really should get some perspective- rather than just laughing this off and owing it up to the ranting of an outraged player. I never harmed any of you- never did anything to cause you trouble like in the ways you repeatedly aggrieved me- and simply tried to play a game while balancing it with a stressful and demanding real life. You sat and insulted me, derided me, scapegoated me for every little thing that went wrong, and then blamed all the "drama" on me. Really, it's amazing that you can sleep with yourself at night- but people who engage in wrongheaded and immoral behaviors really never do seem to be troubled by them outside of Hollywood...
I'll be praying for you, that you might see the light. That you're supposed to treat others in the best possible way you would want to be treated yourself.
Regards,
Northstar
