Bobchillingworth
Unregistered
TheArchduke Wrote:Please do not make it immortal. I am not sure about FFH, but on Civ BTS I get slaughtered in Vanilla there. Monarch or Emperor please.
Well FFH tends to need Immortal to present any sort of challenge; it's really different from vanilla civ where the AI at least has a semblance of an idea what to do with its stacks. The FFH AI simply doesn't understand a lot of the game mechanics or the new AI scripts, and so will have stacks of many dozens of units marching around looking for barbarians that don't exist, and it makes tactically insane decisions like taking a frontline city and then leaving it without any defenders for several turns. It also seems to be reluctant to attack Hero units with anything other than crushing numbers; fairly similar to how the Civ 3 AI treated armies in that regard.
Of course we'll be playing with mostly human players here, but the AI forces that will be involved (the barbs, almost certainly at least either Hyborem or whoever's civ gets abandoned for him, and possibly Basium) really need the massive Immortal boosts to even put up a fight.
Since the AI isn't going to play a critical function in the game, we could make the difficulty lower (which helps with maintenance too, of course), but anything lower than emperor probably needs Raging barbs. Otherwise, among other balance issues, the "Barbarian" trait becomes mostly useless at best, and a 10% research penalty with no offset at worst.
Oh and I totally forgot to bring up game speed- I assume quick, right? The early worker tech researching is painfully slow enough even at that speed... normal or higher would border on absolute tedium.
Posts: 4,549
Threads: 69
Joined: Dec 2006
Emperor please then. I prefer to play FFH on epic as well, but with a PBEW I can see that this is a bad idea.
So is the playerlist ready?
Posts: 1,386
Threads: 8
Joined: Jan 2010
Weighing in again.
Selrahc Wrote:I would seriously recommend Erebus continent to everyone as far as a more balanced Erebus style map goes. Completely agree with Charles here.
I think this guy here sums it up pretty well.
I just downloaded Erebus Continents and tried comparing the two, the results were similar to that post.
Both scripts gave too many mountains for my taste, but the original Erebus script was just silly.
Mapscript: Erebus Continents please.
Bobchillingworth Wrote:The FFH AI simply doesn't understand a lot of the game mechanics or the new AI scripts, Just to be clear here, since there's a lot of talk about AIs, we're 100% not having any AIs at the start, correct?
(Obviously Mercurians/Infernals may show up later)
Bobchillingworth Wrote:Oh and I totally forgot to bring up game speed- I assume quick, right? The early worker tech researching is painfully slow enough even at that speed... normal or higher would border on absolute tedium. Agreed, Gamespeed: Quick
TheArchduke Wrote:Please do not make it immortal. I am not sure about FFH, but on Civ BTS I get slaughtered in Vanilla there. Monarch or Emperor please. Does it make you more comfortable knowing that there won't be any AIs at the start operating at Immortal difficulty, just a few more barbs?
I'm absolutely fine with Emperor also, just checking you understand that all Immortal means is that we all need to build a few more warriors.
Selrahc Wrote:Despite that... I still like living world. Just because it really does add a spark of life to proceedings. Most of the time the good and bad events will roughly balance out over a game. RB in general though tends to try and minimize the luck factor, and the living world option does anything but. I don't really mind either way.
Huts I don't mind. I tend to have really bad luck from huts though... Yeah, unless you guys suddenly start siding with my 'No events, no huts' stance, then I'm getting the feeling it's less a competition and more a messing around trying new things type of game.
But that should be fun 
Just another call for toroidal world wrap, it's probably suicidal, but for some reason I really fancy that!
Posts: 8,838
Threads: 75
Joined: Apr 2006
I have surgery Friday and it will probably take me out for the weekend. It would be great if we could settle this by tonight so I can work on the map tomorrow. I also don't have leader/civ choices from everyone yet.
Darrell
Posts: 1,386
Threads: 8
Joined: Jan 2010
darrelljs Wrote:I have surgery Friday and it will probably take me out for the weekend. It would be great if we could settle this by tonight so I can work on the map tomorrow. I also don't have leader/civ choices from everyone yet.
Darrell K, I'll keep refreshing this thread for the next couple of hours, so if anyone wants a heated argument - game on biatches!
And I'll send them now darrell :neenernee
Thankyou for being so willing to do these sort of things =)
Bobchillingworth
Unregistered
If we have an agreement to download the Erebus Continents mapscript and play on that one, it works for me.
No AI at the start, correct.
I think we've discussed just about everything now, hopefully.
Besides the Corindale exploit I mentioned way back when (cast "peace", revive him, repeat), is there anything else we need to ban?
Anyone else besides pocketbeetle holding everything up with their tardy leader submissions? I wanna find out which one I got! :neenernee
Posts: 1,386
Threads: 8
Joined: Jan 2010
Bobchillingworth Wrote:Anyone else besides pocketbeetle holding everything up with their tardy leader submissions? I wanna find out which one I got! :neenernee Unnecessary use of italics there! ^^
You got Decius (Org/Raider) of Bannor btw. I picked it for you.
Posts: 8,838
Threads: 75
Joined: Apr 2006
I have lists from 5 players. One of those lists has civs only but no leaders.
It would be fantastic if I could have a single post with all the options to go from.
Darrell
May 18th, 2010, 13:33
(This post was last modified: May 19th, 2010, 13:30 by pocketbeetle.)
Posts: 1,386
Threads: 8
Joined: Jan 2010
darrelljs Wrote:I have lists from 5 players. One of those lists has civs only but no leaders.
It would be fantastic if I could have a single post with all the options to go from.
Darrell
Working on it. - Map Type: Erebus Continents script
Options expressed by pocketbeetle only: Large/Toroidal/Fewer mountains/High Cohesion.
- Speed: Quick
- Lairs: On
- All Unique features: On
No Yggdrasil/Patria/Guardian/Dragon bones next to capital
Bob suggests 'All Unique features' on, pb suggests off, Selrahc suggests on
- Acheron: Off
Either off or prespawned(?) and spacially removed from capitals.
- Orcus: On
- Barb Activity: Normal
- Difficulty: Emperor
Archduke wants Emp, Bob wants Imm, Pb wants Emp/Imm, Cull wants Emp
- Tech trading: Off
- Always War: Off
- Altar victory: On
- Last days: Off
- Living World: On
- Huts: On
- Blessing of Amathon: Off
- No starting AIs
- Patch n
- Restricted Leaders (I'm assuming)
If I've missed anything/anything needs adding, speak up.
Contact rules: None until met?
Posts: 716
Threads: 6
Joined: Jan 2010
Thinking over my list still. I will have it sent by a half a hour, probably less.
|
