[SPOILERS] Charriu and Zalson are fighting the honorable post count war!

[Zalson]

That'll be good. One of the things that OT4e does is he'll run several sims in the order he wants, and see how many times he gets the result he's looking for. That way he knows what value to expect and whether or not the attack is worth it.

Another thing to keep in mind is that you don't have to attack Schlida. You can go kill those reinforcing axeman, place yourself athwart his supply line. Then you can force more concessions for peace. can he gift you Schlida? You'd take peace for that.

It doesn't really seem like he's taking it seriously. He is still lowest power (right) and hasn't whipped more than once. Angle around Schlida and cut off his supply. The rest of his cities are probably not well defended. He has 37k power units, at least 32k in tech, and at least 9k in population.

That means he has at least 78k power reserved, with ~30k power hanging around. You can take that. Use your chariots to wreak havoc. Burn roads. Make him pay.

Or take peace and then immediately pivot to RFS-81.

[Zalson]

You have 50k power in the field. You just need to put that where he ain't. That's what the two movers will do for you.

Don't give up! But if you do pivot, go attack RFS! But I'd recommend not taking peace without concessions.

[Charriu]

PB88 Part 2:

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Unfortunately city trades are forbidden, so I will have to take Schilda by force.





I kept the war maschine running. I have my reason to keep waring with Coeurva, which I will explain in a bit, but first the situation at hand. I attacked his archer and axeman on the hill

C1 chariot      vs     HillDefense archer = 30.4% -> WIN
C1 chariot      vs     C1 Shock axeman = 79.5% -> WIN

I must admit that I was lucky there. Moving to the hill revealed more of Coeurva's axeman coming this way. I positioned 2 more chariot on the hill in the hopes to prevent them from entering the city. Coeurva will propably kill 1 chariot with his spearman, but after that he only has axeman and archer to attack my chariot. This should give him at least 1 lost unit.

I whipped another archer in Forza, who will move to the hill 1S of Schilda together with the 2 swordsman I was not waiting for a few turns ago.

I also connected whales this turn, which helps immense in my war efforts.

I hope that other players will start a war with Coeurva soon, seeing that I divert a lot of his troops in my direction. The only to I can hope for are RFS and Magic. Superdeath just sued for peace and does not have a border with him. I'm even thinking about giving RFS a copper for copper deal to get him started.
There's also the scenario that I'll be attacked by another player:

• Superdeath: Why should he, he has other problems to take care of (Shallow)
  
• RFS: Attacking me would absolutely be stupid. Coeurva is already in his territory and weakening me would just open the door for Coeurva.
  
• Shallow: Attacking me would actually be a good move for him.
  

So why do I keep fighting with Coeurva. These are my reasons:

1. Right now Coeurva and Shallow are the 2 leading players and I deem Coeurva the greater danger for me.
   
2. If Schilda remains, it will pressure Forza and eventually take it by culture or force. To prevent this I would have to fortify it hard, but then I don't have enough troops to conquer other cities.
   
3. If I sue for peace and attack RFS, Coeurva will likely also start attacking RFS soon. After that I will be his likely target, because he and Superdeath are obviously not interested in a border between them.
   
4. I'm already pretty much boxed in and I have to fight my way out of here.
   

[Zalson]

How is the home front doing? Can Couerva offer you all of his gold for 10 turns?

I'd recommend move more units to defend your gains (the attack you just made) (great advice considering I just suggested you move further in) because Couerva can now threaten Forza. Not much to be done there. And actually, it benefits you because you'd be able to likely attack and take Schlida.

Do you know where his alternative forces might be? Unfortunately, chariots don't get a defensive bonus against axes...

That's another 13k power taken down and another 12k accounted for! Can you also post Couerva's power graph? What is the eta to construction (that would have been the other item to plan for. oh well).

[Charriu]

How is the home front doing? Can Couerva offer you all of his gold for 10 turns?

No because nobody has Currency as of yet. Home front is fine for now I have archers in every city except the capitol. Sometimes 2. In Karlabos I have an archer and a spearman and another one on the way.

I'd recommend move more units to defend your gains (the attack you just made) (great advice considering I just suggested you move further in) because Couerva can now threaten Forza. Not much to be done there. And actually, it benefits you because you'd be able to likely attack and take Schlida.

I'm not afraid for Forza right now, all my reinforcement have to travel through here, so there's almost always some troops here.

Do you know where his alternative forces might be? Unfortunately, chariots don't get a defensive bonus against axes...

No

That's another 13k power taken down and another 12k accounted for! Can you also post Couerva's power graph? What is the eta to construction (that would have been the other item to plan for. oh well).

I will post his graph this turn. Right now I'm researching Alphabet. I could use my Great Scientist to bulb Mathematics, but I would rather build an academy in Exdeath. Only after Mathematics can I research construction and my gold rate is rather low.

[Zalson]

Oh, did we get a great scientist? That's great! Definitely use the GS for an academy.

[Charriu]

Not yet but pretty soon.

[Charriu]

T89:

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Coeurva send me a peace offer again, which I declined again. He knows what I want. If he wants peace he just has to abandon Schilda, so that I can take it. Then we can have all the peace he wants. He attacked my chariots with his spearman:

C1 Shock Medic Spearman     vs     C1 Chariot = 99.3% -> I Lost

I expected that he would attack my chariot and kill one. All I traded 1 chariot vs 1 axeman and 1 archer. I would say that's a good trade. In other great news he retreated the 2 axeman to his city near the cow in the north. That's great news.



I moved my units to defend my chariots and pillaged a road with the undamaged chariots. 2 of my chariots can take another promotion, which is great. As you can see I also moved 2 swordsman and another archer up from Forza. Unfortunately with my troops in the west of Schilda I did a bad move. I moved my units first and only after them I moved the chariot to the position you see above. That's another nice target if Schilda becomes to difficult, but first I want to pillage that road next turn, so that Schilda is lost from his trade network together with the gold. I hope that causes some unhappiness in his territory.
I thought about leaving the chariot, where it is and attack Venusberg, but I doubt that 1 chariot is enough to attack and conquer Venusberg.
So far this went quite well. I have another chariot and axeman on my way and I also finish another swordsman in Forza in T91. They will be ready to attack in T93, which is very convenient as in T95 Schilda's border will pop again. So the next good moment to take Schilda is in T93.



The others remain peaceful as far as I can tell.

I also checked when my Great Scientist is finished and it will be ready in T91.

[Cornflakes]

Unfortunately I think your long-term prospects are effectively 0% chance. Couerva has to be close to either Construction or Praetorian, and either one mean any chance of forward progress is stopped. Unless you have another stack of swords incoming right now I don't think you gain anything by staying at war. Unit support in enemy territory isn't helping your GNP, making it take even longer for you to reach Currency >>> Construction. My instinct says better to peace out, save the unit support, and try to get to Catapults ASAP. Best you can do at this point it probably just be a thorn in Couerva's side. So make yourself some mini-goals. For example, beat Couerva to Construction and knock his sandcastle over with Catapults.

You could possibly use the GScientist to bulb Mathematics??? That would get you an extra 20% discount on Currency in addition to the cost of Mathematics. That might just be enough to beat Couerva to Construction by a meaningful margin. I know that sounds drastic, but desperate times call for desperate measures and I'm just trying to think outside the box. Compare the yield from bulbing to your current break-even research yield in the capital and you might find a payback horizon of a very long time compared to the trickle of beakers gained from the +50% Academy boost [to be accurate, your comparison needs to be beaker yield at breakeven rate, not 100% science rate]. If you do go ahead with the Academy, keep research at 0% and accumulate gold until the Academy is built (should have saved up what you had rather than burning it to get through 50% of Alphabet). Once the Academy is built you can turn on research again to take advantage of the +50%.

[Zalson]

Venusberg was EXACTLY what I was hoping for. How many chariots do you have? More than 1 I hope?

If you have 2, burn that city to the ground. He cannot add another defender because it's size 3.

Burning a size 3 city with worthwhile on the hammer exchange. You're showing him you mean business.

Ask for Schlida. he can't give it to you but he can empty it for you to take.