I've been severely drunk for the last few hours, so I apologize for any shortcomings in this post.
I personally think that this map is more lush than PB27. Without referencing anybody's forum posts or my screenshots, I remember my start having two food bonuses, a grass cow and a fish tile, compared to this start which has 3 food resources (plains cow, grass sheep and grass corn).
To be fair, the plains cow is only 3 food, some might say it's barely a food resource, but even disregarding that, the food surplus provided by the corn and the sheep in this game is equal or superior to that provided by my fish and cow in PB27. The fish is 6 food with a lighthouse, 5 food otherwise. The grass cow is 4 food 2 hammers. That's 10 food 2 hammers (9 without a lighthouse) vs. 10 food period.
You might say "But wait Nyles, those extra hammers are just as good for workers and settlers", and that's true, but you have to factor in the cost of the workboat. The workboat wasn't as much of a problem in PB27 because we were useing the RTR 3.0.0.4 mod which did two important things: Workboats are also foodhammer units like workers and settlers, and Workboats can be built without researching fishing first (working water tiles still requires fishing). You also get less food surplus from the PB27 start even after sinking the hammers into the workboat until you sink another 60 hammers into a lighthouse.
If we take the third bonus in the capital into account, then we (at least for my start) shift the balance further into more food in this start and more hammers in the PB27 start. 3 food 3 hammers for the improved plains cow versus 1 food 3 hammers for an unimproved plains forest elephant (1 food 4 hammer + some commerce when improved). In terms of the start, these two were somewhat similar in lushness. Some others in PB27 had 6 food starts available (Elkad had grass pigs iirc), so that goes further in favor of PB27.
Pitboss 27 also had forge resources close to the capital (gold, silver or gems depending on where you started) which this map doesn't seem to have so readily available, but even though my second city in that game, Akkad, was a monster with river grass pigs, river copper, two river gems and two floodplains, most of my other cities were very unremarkable in comparison to my first and second cities.
My initial thoughts were that this map was much more lush than PB27, but after thinking about it a bit and writing this detailed post they seem a lot closer. PB27 did have the distinction of being a huge 23 person game, so it would make sense that the map would be lusher than average since there is less territory to go around. I think that if you were to divide the yields of all of the improved bonus tiles by the total number of tiles you would get at least a slightly higher average food yield in this map and more hammers and commerce on the PB27 map. I might actually go and do the math myself later if I have the time.
I encourage Zalson to read the early part of my (or Krill or Commodore or TaoTao or Gavagai or dtay's) PB27 thread and see for yourself.
I personally think that this map is more lush than PB27. Without referencing anybody's forum posts or my screenshots, I remember my start having two food bonuses, a grass cow and a fish tile, compared to this start which has 3 food resources (plains cow, grass sheep and grass corn).
To be fair, the plains cow is only 3 food, some might say it's barely a food resource, but even disregarding that, the food surplus provided by the corn and the sheep in this game is equal or superior to that provided by my fish and cow in PB27. The fish is 6 food with a lighthouse, 5 food otherwise. The grass cow is 4 food 2 hammers. That's 10 food 2 hammers (9 without a lighthouse) vs. 10 food period.
You might say "But wait Nyles, those extra hammers are just as good for workers and settlers", and that's true, but you have to factor in the cost of the workboat. The workboat wasn't as much of a problem in PB27 because we were useing the RTR 3.0.0.4 mod which did two important things: Workboats are also foodhammer units like workers and settlers, and Workboats can be built without researching fishing first (working water tiles still requires fishing). You also get less food surplus from the PB27 start even after sinking the hammers into the workboat until you sink another 60 hammers into a lighthouse.
If we take the third bonus in the capital into account, then we (at least for my start) shift the balance further into more food in this start and more hammers in the PB27 start. 3 food 3 hammers for the improved plains cow versus 1 food 3 hammers for an unimproved plains forest elephant (1 food 4 hammer + some commerce when improved). In terms of the start, these two were somewhat similar in lushness. Some others in PB27 had 6 food starts available (Elkad had grass pigs iirc), so that goes further in favor of PB27.
Pitboss 27 also had forge resources close to the capital (gold, silver or gems depending on where you started) which this map doesn't seem to have so readily available, but even though my second city in that game, Akkad, was a monster with river grass pigs, river copper, two river gems and two floodplains, most of my other cities were very unremarkable in comparison to my first and second cities.
My initial thoughts were that this map was much more lush than PB27, but after thinking about it a bit and writing this detailed post they seem a lot closer. PB27 did have the distinction of being a huge 23 person game, so it would make sense that the map would be lusher than average since there is less territory to go around. I think that if you were to divide the yields of all of the improved bonus tiles by the total number of tiles you would get at least a slightly higher average food yield in this map and more hammers and commerce on the PB27 map. I might actually go and do the math myself later if I have the time.
I encourage Zalson to read the early part of my (or Krill or Commodore or TaoTao or Gavagai or dtay's) PB27 thread and see for yourself.
![[Image: rb-34-13-1.jpg]](https://earnestwords.files.wordpress.com/2016/07/rb-34-13-1.jpg)
) tiles, leaving another 142 or so out there for us. With that immaturity out of the way, I present my completely serious representation of the map, which I suspect has a larger plot of land past that narrow land bridge, and possibly some islands beyond that:![[Image: sGSCZrC.png]](http://i.imgur.com/sGSCZrC.png)
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