Square Leg Wrote:Ah ok - I was thinking that a land locked city wouldn't be connected - for example - c2 in the T90 shots (the city yet to be founded south of the capital) That city could build 1t warriors easily so long as you don't road it onto the network.
Our current cities are connected, but c2 wouldn't. Building some warriors could be considered. Unfortunatley I think I'll move the city 1 tile north since current positioning would waste 1 grassland tile.
Do we want Moai at BRB or one of the East Coast cities that has a lot of water?
Also:
Quote:Hey Plako,
We couldn't help LP settling that spot.
Now that he's done that, we decided not to settle north of the peaks. There is a 1-tile landbridge towards LP and we can't defend it.
Feel free to settle there soon if you want to stop LP from going there.
We've got a decent amount of the map unfogged now, but were still scouting a lot, even got a WB going around the inner sea to see what's to get there.
Nothing else to add for now.
Kind regards,
Nakor
Do you think we should tell Locke the news?
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Brb is mature and has enough hammers to build it fast. There are cities with more water, but getting it quite a bit earlier is reason enough to build it now. It also adds some culture that is good for a border city.
"Right, as the world goes, is only in question between equals in power, while the strong do what they can and the weak suffer what they must."
“I have never understood why it is "greed" to want to keep the money you have earned but not greed to want to take somebody else's money.”
This not a news to anyone, but Luddite declared war this turn. There is additional Vulture trailing the ones you did see in my previous shots. Main force is probably attacking against Lupu.
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Quote:12:32 plako: Hi
12:33 Parkin: Hi there
12:34 So I see things have sparked up this turn...
plako: So Mackoti was the target and nice role play in UN. They took a bit too seriously non-profiliretation oc Copper
Parkin: Lol, yeah
Will be interested to see how things turn out
12:35 plako: Yeah. This is premature, but since I don't have much to discuss. What about Scientist <-> Prophet trade in ~25T
If I push it I'll get next Scientist in ~22T
But I won't do it, if I don't know I'll get Prophet soplakowhere
Parkin: Hmm... might be a bit soon, not sure. Will have to calculate it
12:36 I might be getting a GP in about 30-35 turns
I think
Will have to check though
plako: ok good
12:38 Parkin: I'll also have mixed GP/GS points in soplako cities so not sure what my odds will be, will have to work that out too
12:39 I guess we should have a N-S road completed by that tiplako anyway
12:40 So yeah, it's a possibility... bit soon to be sure though, I'll check back once I've had more of a chance to plan ahead
I plakoan, I can definitely do the trade at soplako point, just not sure how soon it'll be
12:42 plako: sry got interrupted
Parkin: no worries
plako: Alright I'll probably tiplako my Scientists on ~30T then
12:43 I probably want to grow the city also
Parkin: Fair enough
plako: so gunning at it full speed woon't be sensible
unless I know Iget Prophwt in trade
Parkin: You can always use it for yourself if I'm not quite ready at that tiplako anyway
12:44 But I'll be able to work that out closer to the tiplako
I don't think I'll have the spare Prophet that soon (<30)
plako: Sure. I might build a temple also there to get a mixed pool
And possibly get lucky
12:45 Parkin: Fair enough
Quote:13:13 luddite: hi
plako: hi
Exciting tiplakos for you ,)
luddite: yeah
did you see my army?
13:14 plako: Only small stack in the south
luddite: ah ok
plako: I guess main stack is near Lupu
luddite: yeah, i have a larger one in the north
plako: Mackoti is pretty unprepared I'm still #2 in power
o you probably get what you want
luddite: yeah
13:15 unless he get really lucky with dice rolls, i'll raze lupu next turn
if i'm lucky i might even be able to take his other city too
plako: And the city in the SE from there won't hold after that
luddite: yeah
the only thing is that it's so far down
13:16 it'll take a long tiplako for plako just to get there lol
plako: Road will help you a bit
luddite: ah, yeah
13:17 plako: btw where does the land passage in the wouth lead?
towards Locke?
luddite: it doesn't lead anywhere, it's just a peninsula
plako: ok
luddite: that's why we were fighting so hard over the choke point there
plako: ok
13:18 So there are severla spots for cities there
luddite: yeah
and our only source of gems and ivory is down there too
13:19 plako: Sounds good for you
btw. You'll probably soon get Prophet from Oracle?
luddite: yep
plako: I'm thinking how would I get one
luddite: you got judaism right?
plako: yes
13:20 luddite: so you could research priesthood pretty easily
plako: Yeah I could
But that will be real drag when I'm not philo
13:21 luddite: hmm
plako: and I've alredy produced 1 GS
luddite: oh, yeah
that would be really long then
plako: I've talked with Parkin though since producing Prophet would be pretty easy for him
13:22 Just cheking, if I could get a better deal
We
luddite: haha
hmm
plako: haven't agreed anything yet
luddite: let plako think about it
13:23 btw, didn't parkin already produce a g prophet?
soplakoone did, and I assuplakod that was him
plako: our distance is a bit problematic also
Yes he did
long tiplako ago
Probably settled it
luddite: ah, ok
plako: Not sure though
luddite: i like settling early prophets
maybe even better than a scientisst
13:24 plako: Early enough they give quite a while beter yield
especially, if you need to run low slider
of course you could settle also Scientist
But Academy is so much better over longer period
13:25 luddite: sure
works best if you're philosophical of course
i experiplakonted once with using a philo egyptian leader
you can build an obelisk and get a super early prophet
i don't know if that's really worth it though
13:26 plako: Running specialists when you need to expand, isn't best idea
low happy cap also at that point of the gaplako
luddite: yeah but they can help you expand, by paying for maintenance
13:27 and you only need to run them for 8 turns
plako: Sure you could produce 1 very fast
I could get Scientist in 22T, if I run them non-stop
13:28 However I probably won't do that
and Imight build temple and hope to get lucky
Just what I could offer in excahnge
13:29 and travel tiplako is pretty long
luddite: well the problem is
and- please keep this a secret
i'm working on a great engineer
plako: That is not big surprise , but sure I wonät spread that
luddite: haha ok
13:30 plako: Soplako wonder in mind
luddite: great library
plako: Good plan epscially without marble
luddite: i'm going to put it in one of Mackoti's cities lol
13:31 plako: Good culture value
luddite: but anyway, it'll be a while before i get a prophet
plako: So you get Engineer before Prophet
luddite: right- i figured it would be too slow for the library if i got the prophet first
13:32 it'll be about 30 turns before i can get the prophet
plako: I could tiplako Scientist to arrive around that tiplako
13:33 But if you get Engineer 1st you need Temple to get it in 30T
luddite: i know, i'm planning on building a temple
assuming the war goes well
13:34 plako: ok
13:35 I'll probably tiplako my Scientist to arrive around that tiplako. I'll try to finalize deal before that. The mian problem is how to deliver the Scientists
luddite: please understand- i'm not sure yet if i want to agree to this
i kind of want to build a shrine, too
plako: Sure I'll discuss with Parkin also
luddite: and if i get the library, scientists will be easy
13:36 plako: No worries
Adlain could also provide it and I might get lucky
luddite: ok
plako: Parkin is also closer so delivery would be easier and he doesn't have religion yet
13:37 So it would logistically make sense assuming we can agree upon it
luddite: sure
although- delibery is easier when you have boats...
plako: Yeah
13:39 luddite: settlers might be better for plako than a scientist, anyway
13:42 plako: So would you be intrested in to trade Prophet for settlers
luddite: possibly
i know i'm behind on city count right now, and you can build them cheaply
13:43 plako: That would be alright. Had to just find the price
and delivery schedule
luddite: yeah
plako: I've sailing but on city that would have access to your inner sea
13:44 *no
Of course I could rush one there
Before Parkin seals that
luddite: if you can get open borders with parkin, you could use his roads
plako: but the city there is not very good
luddite: i dunno if he'd let you though
13:45 plako: I would like to keep these kind of deals a bit more hidden
luddite: yeah, sure
it's impossible to move a unit onto your allies boat, right?
plako: yes
only your own will do
13:46 luddite: hmm ok
plako: However I've 1 extra moveplakont
so I could get them a bit faster to you
But I still probably need Parkins approval to use his coast
unless there is another route through Nakor
13:47 luddite: yeah, i don't think there is though
any chance you'll a city along the coast that borders plako?
13:48 plako: Not really. There is only 1 free slot for a coastal city left after Parkin planted on our side of the jungle
Nakor has all the land south from it
luddite: you could just take parkin's city
plako: That could be an idea
Unfortunately I've deal that prevents it for now
13:49 luddite: hmm
in that case it's probably impossible to do this secretly
you'd have to move through parkin's land, or nakor's
plako: No one can see what travels inside Galleys
13:50 luddite: yeah but you'd have to sail through parkin's land
plako: Yeah he could make educated guesses
luddite: well, maybe you could go the other way
the long way, north of rego, sleeping moogle, and mackoti
plako: But I think it is better than openly say ask can I travel settlers through your land
13:51 Before going further in to a logistics
What would you think being a fair price?
13:52 luddite: honestly i don't know, that's a tough question
plako: Yeah this is soplakothing I've never seen done
luddite: really depends how well my war goes, and how much our religions spread
plako: Specialists to Specialists is more straightforward
ok. So this is a bit premature
13:53 I'll probably try to tiplako Scientists to arrive ~30T so we could open up the dialogue again in 10-20T
luddite: ok, sounds good
13:55 do you know if there's a coastal connection from you to regoarrar to the north of mackoti?
13:57 plako: I'mpretty certain there is coastal connection to Rego
Actually certain
Put it is my latest city that gives it
13:58 But I'll soon hav emore there
luddite: ok
if you can sail above him, you could probably sail to plako
plako: There is room there? In the south there is no room to sail
13:59 luddite: i'm not sure, but i think so
plako: Only occasional areas of water but also land tiles blocking
ok
14:00 That would be another option to transfer staff
So that it would look more natural
However Rego is very jealous about his territory
14:01 He has asked plako to turn around twice with my units
luddite: haha
i see
plako: Ehn I just tried to scout his backlines
Not even his cities
14:02 I've also OB with them despite the GLH
14:03 But so does many others
luddite: yeah, i always figure that it doesn't matter, because soplakoone else will always give OB
plako: Saplako idea and they're not doing very well currently
14:04 I just got their graphs
MFG and food are way lower than e,g, WarriorKnights
14:05 luddite: yeah
they must have really fucked up their economy to get the GLH
saplako as aplakolia lol
14:06 plako: Bad choice. Even if I consder Rego ery strong player, here they clearly made a mistake
14:07 luddite: by the way, do you know if sunrise is playing too?
seems like it's all rego so far
14:08 plako: Early gaplako he was involved more, but I guess Sunrise is their tactician on war tiplako and Rego builder
Their start must have been a bit disappointing for a civ liking early conflicts
14:10 luddite: yeah definitely
right now i'm sort of wishing that i was aggressive lol
just having that combat promotion is surprisingly powerful for these early wars
14:11 plako: Only benefit you can have yes. Luckily it seems that Mackoti hasn't focused on culture buildings
luddite: yeah
and he has no barracks, either
plako: Pyramids without stone is huge investplakont
14:12 luddite: i know, i couldn't believe he did that, while also challenging plako for land
maybe i'll get those pyramids for myself
plako: I consider Pyramids pretty much best wonder in this setup
14:13 Lot of hills and food resources so you can naturally switch between science and production
And not nescessary to have slavery
But the price tag was a bit too high for plako to try
luddite: you know, i was really thinking about the pyramids
14:14 but i don't think it's that good
plako: Engineer would have been ideal for that
luddite: yeah
but the main problem is taht the food cost of using specialists everywhere is too high
in most cases i'd rather grow onto more cottages, instead of running a scientist
even a rep scientist
14:15 plako: There isn't much good cotage land
You had to cottage hills also
luddite: yeah
or windmill them
14:16 plako: But windmills aren't anyhing special
You need Machinery to get them
and Replacable parts to really make thm useful
14:17 Here I had to use them in couple of cities claiming resources
that don't have proper food resources
luddite: hmm yeah
14:18 but with the pyramids, you have to build libraries to take advantage
mackoti was building libraries while I was building units
plako: I'm a bit surprised he didn't recognize the danger
He must see your graphs
luddite: yeah i'm sure he did
14:19 he just thought he'd have a little more tiplako to prepare
plako: ok
luddite: he had a unit watching plako in the south, and I sailed over on boats in the north
plako: Caste is the natural partner of Rep
and here you can tun Caste because of all the hills
Slavery is not essential
14:20 but of course you need a bit more units
to be secure
luddite: well yeah, and also you need CoL
plako: sure
14:21 luddite: i was surprised that soplakoone got that already
locke?
plako: yes
There are intresting beelines and wonder gambits in this gaplako
luddite: yeah it's a really interesting gaplako
plako: I thik quite good quality of players
14:22 luddite: yeah
do you want to hear soplakothing funny?
plako: sure
luddite: i started out planning to build stonehenge too
plako and parkin would have finished it on the exact saplako turn
14:23 plako: Dice roll
luddite: haha, yep
well i decided not to risk it
i switched to the oracle instaed
really wanted the Lighthouse of coruse, but i didn't think i could get it
plako: Oracling MC is way better I thikn
and GLH is not that great without overseas trade routes
14:24 Had to go now
14:25 cya
luddite: ok bye
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"Right, as the world goes, is only in question between equals in power, while the strong do what they can and the weak suffer what they must."
“I have never understood why it is "greed" to want to keep the money you have earned but not greed to want to take somebody else's money.”
"Right, as the world goes, is only in question between equals in power, while the strong do what they can and the weak suffer what they must."
“I have never understood why it is "greed" to want to keep the money you have earned but not greed to want to take somebody else's money.”
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