WW33 - Walking Dead [GAME THREAD]

[zakalwe]

I was convinced that Rowain had your role. I'm guessing that's why the bandits killed him.

GG, everybody, if this is really over. I guess I'll wait for confirmation from Jowy.

[Jowy]

Note to remaining players: If you don't need the full 48 hours, I can end the phase earlier, but only once all three agree.

[zakalwe]

Yeah, I was just about to quote that, myself.

[Mattimeo]

Q, if you vote zakalwe then we both guaranteed shoot each other tonight, rather than the chance of him having kill-block
(Yes, I am aware that game mechanics ignore what roles are actually left and assign victory as soon as parity is reached, but that's beside the point when we could end up with *everyone* dead rather than zak possibly surviving).

I'm good to end the day if you're not willing to change to a vote that guarantees absolutely everyone being killed, though

[Mattimeo]

Also, Jabbz/Mattimeo, this is why you should have left Catwalk alive. In this situation he wouldn't have a chance of victory and would've just picked arbitrarily. Whereas if I had shot Matt, then I would have lynched Zak and we would have shot each other. And this way round, I still have a chance (very slim) of victory if I side with Zak so obviously I will do that. No matter how it turns out, its better to be left with a cop today then a vig.

Nah, vig means everyone should die. Much more fun :D
Rather than the seer left wanting to no-lynch for the overnight standoff, but being unable to do so because game rules don't allow no lynch, and instead having to actively vote to lose the game themselves, rather than than have scum choose who loses the game.

[Qgqqqqq]

Matt I would do that except that you're the role blocker. Is there any way of me being certain that you would agree to die rather then simply flocking me and taking the victory? I would of course we prefer it if we all died.

(And please don't say to trust you )

Oh and I asked Jowy and he said that night happens if two are left alive, so it must only activate come day.

[Mattimeo]

Well, zak has claimed definite kill-shield, so he's got no choice in the matter - you actually can't kill him.

There's no way to be absolutely sure that I would shoot rather than block you.
But damn, everyone dying is a significantly more fun outcome than winning because it's even numbers at the start of a day :D

Damnit, why'd you have to shoot Jabbz instead of me? Everything would have been so much easier to arrange

[Qgqqqqq]

Indeed it is, but I'm just not sure that I trust you...in your situation I would most certainly block, as my duty to my team. Urrk unvote

[Mattimeo]

1-1 is typically scum win because no lynch is possible during the day (cannot get a majority, or even a plurality, unless someone votes themself, or doesn't vote), and the scum subsequently kills the town the following night. In this situation, 1-1 should be a mutual loss (or draw, if you will) because it's impossible for me to kill you without dying myself.

That's not the case this game, because we're running with a tiebreak system that loses all coherency once we're at even numbers *past* LyLo.
(also, a lack of an ability to have 'no lynch' count as a valid vote, but that's mostly beside the point for this)

Basically: scum+vig alive, even if roleblocker, *should* be a draw, and only isn't in this situation because of variant rules that I'm not sure I agree with.
Or if you wanted to just keep things 'simple' you could just vote with zak, and shoot his armour off tonight while dying

[Qgqqqqq]

In other words, you want to kill Zak and then all living parties agree to a draw, regardless of what the rules say? I think I could get behind that.