[SPOILERS] RB PB7 LURKER Thread

[scooter]

I have a hard time feeling bad for Seven + Mackoti right now. When you've taken out a neighbor and built the Pyramids, don't be shocked if you put a target on your back. This also goes back to the meta discussion I kicked off in my PBEM32 thread regarding the Pyramids and their effect in a Pitboss vs a PBEM. In a PBEM, they can put a huge target on their back like that because who cares - you are playing against 4 players, half of which are usually not good enough to compete from T0. So you have, what, 2 players who can even compete with you, and that's not even guaranteeing they can physically reach you on the map.

Here they have 17 enemies who they are all at war with forever. Is it really shocking that they would get targeted by 2 of them? They forget that in a PB, at this stage of the game you already have 8-9 players who cannot win and now have different motives - like having fun or taking down their big neighbor. Also, it's not like Plako is staging a huge invasion. I'd guess that nearly half the players in this game have been floating around with minor military forces and probing borders in case they can get an opportunistic raze.

Also, if they ever want breathing room from Commodore, some actual attempt at diplo and understanding his team would be much better than frequently insulting their intelligence. Insulting everyone who doesn't do what you want is a good way to piss everyone off and ensure that they will also try to cause you problems in the future. If I was in this game they'd have achieved enemy status sheerly based off their posts in that thread (same for the Commxenu team btw, though Commodore has been more fair than Xenu). It's stark contrast to LP who has finally wised up and shut his mouth in that thread now that he's in a strong position. He's probably the favorite at this point.

I don't mean this to be too harsh on them. They're just coming across as kinda whiny when plenty of other players have had worse circumstances in this game and sucked it up and played on. I don't care as much if they whine in their thread, that's what it's for, but their recent posts in the public thread is a perfect example of why this game's public thread sucks.

(and Ichabod's post was perfect as per usual)

[Gaspar]

Really, one of the biggest keys to success in these no diplo/AI diplo/AW games is not taking things personally. In a regular diplo game you can open communication lines to avoid such issues. In these games you don't get that chance the same way. Seven made what I thought was a great comment in the thread here - the biggest cost of war is gaining an enemy. That's true, though I think the players that will be most successful are the ones who don't hold grudges. If you look at pindicator and sunrise they had a near bruhaha in the thread, simmered down and are back to teching away.

I actually think LP will win as well, due solely to the fact that he has no strong opponents in his sphere of influence. But I like pindicators odds for being part of the conversation at the end. Its just unfortunate for him he has sunrise and team FFH who have both played decent games as neighbors.

[waterbat]

I have a hard time feeling bad for Seven + Mackoti right now.

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(and Ichabod's post was perfect as per usual)

Great post, Scooter. Definitely feeling along the same lines.

I'm giving them the benefit of the doubt that the blustering in the diplo thread is designed to try to stave off the attack, but its hard to say.

and of course, Ichabod = winning!

[kjn]

If you look at pindicator and sunrise they had a near bruhaha in the thread, simmered down and are back to teching away.

I think it helped there that both of them knew they were saber-rattling. The city plant by Sunrise was near his core, and he wanted to dissuade Pindicator who had expanded rapidly. Pindicator on the other hand already had set his course to expand northeast instead of north, since he knew he had a softer target there. But he wanted to make sure Sunrise knew that he was watching him.

In a way, I think the fact that Sunrise and Pindicator both respect each others as players and had their sights set elsewhere helped a lot there.

[luddite]

I have a hard time feeling bad for Seven + Mackoti right now. When you've taken out a neighbor and built the Pyramids, don't be shocked if you put a target on your back. This also goes back to the meta discussion I kicked off in my PBEM32 thread regarding the Pyramids and their effect in a Pitboss vs a PBEM. In a PBEM, they can put a huge target on their back like that because who cares - you are playing against 4 players, half of which are usually not good enough to compete from T0. So you have, what, 2 players who can even compete with you, and that's not even guaranteeing they can physically reach you on the map.

Here they have 17 enemies who they are all at war with forever. Is it really shocking that they would get targeted by 2 of them? They forget that in a PB, at this stage of the game you already have 8-9 players who cannot win and now have different motives - like having fun or taking down their big neighbor. Also, it's not like Plako is staging a huge invasion. I'd guess that nearly half the players in this game have been floating around with minor military forces and probing borders in case they can get an opportunistic raze.

Yeah, exactly. "He who has nothing to lose is the most dangerous enemy of them all." In a PBEM usually everyone is trying hard to win for themselves, at least until it's so late in the game that it doesn't matter. In a huge pitboss like this, there's a lot more room for people to do random stuff, especially if they get screwed right from the beginning by bad terrain.

I just read your discussion about the pyramids, and I thought it was really interesting. I have a lot of thoughts on that, I'm just kinda waiting for PBEM29 to finish so that we can talk about what happened there.

[Rowain]

If he prevents us from getting more island cities to capitalize on the GLH, we are extra-doomed--but unlike with Sunrise or Ichabod, we might actually have a chance at taking land from Plako. Thoughts?

Rome vs Plako 3rd edition

[waterbat]

I was wondering what was going to happen when they realized all those city plant signs on that island were fantasy Rome has to know from the diplo thread that plako has a naval expedition about. They'd better watch out for a counter - although I think plako still doesn't realize that landmass to his east is a small island yet.

[dazedroyalty]

So, I'm not paying 100% attention to this game (too much happening to follow it all) but I just noticed that LP has an island (or is it two) to settle that seem to have very good resources--for this map, anyways. So now he's got even MORE land to settle, plus overseas trade routes. I'm definitely feeling LP for the win.

[Bigger]

So, I'm not paying 100% attention to this game (too much happening to follow it all) but I just noticed that LP has an island (or is it two) to settle that seem to have very good resources--for this map, anyways. So now he's got even MORE land to settle, plus overseas trade routes. I'm definitely feeling LP for the win.

yeah he's looking good.

I'm a bit down on pindicator now that he's let us know how lagging he is on cottages. Plus it doesn't look like he's going to be able to steal a religion from moogle, so unless he can hit divine right first he's out of luck there.

Sunrise still looking strong though, maybe the only one that can compete w/ LP.

[AutomatedTeller]

yeah, I'm beginning to like LP, too. Assuming that the western civs don't team up on him, at least.