[SPOILERS] RB PB7 LURKER Thread

[Gaspar]

Basically two things.

1. Dazed is spot on about poor-play frustration transferring to the more convenient target. See it happen all the time. I've been guilty of it myself - nowhere remotely to the extent that we've seen in this game, but I've constrained the anger to my own lurker thread in most instances (and I generally think people should not take abuse for getting angry in their own threads - part of the reason they're there.) ASM obviously went ridiculously over the top with it, but X-Com has been right behind. Azza also not done himself any favors.

2. Parkin is impossibly unfun to play against for all the reasons mentioned dozens of times upthread by multiple people who have player against him. And its pretty stupid to base the judgement of how good/bad Azza's move was with only seeing what Parkin showed us - particularly since he conceals anything sensitive in his lurker threads until after it happens (battlefront pics don't get posted until after the battle, wonders not until they're about to be completed, etc.) So we don't really know what the situation is.

Not saying I side with Azza here - I don't. Just saying we have much less than a full picture. What we have a full picture of is all the bad attitudes involved and they don't cover many of the players in this game in glory.

This game should have been called 50t ago. Not only is Parkin in an unassailable pole position, not only are huge swaths of players having no fun, but the discourse has been embarrassingly poisonous for a long time now.

On a last note, Ichabod will get his own award named after him if that setup is ever tried again - People's Champion. Can't imagine Ichabod posts aren't everyone's favorite thing about this game.

[Rowain]

Gaspar I do agree with you on nearly all points .

But LP does post pictures and I'm rather convinced that he does not edit them to paint stacks of units on places convenient for later claims that
they were right there anyway

[Boldly Going Nowhere]

No one said anything of the sort about LP altering pictures. Gaspar's point was (I think) that LP isn't as open in reporting as some other players so you never really get the full picture of the issue, but perhaps a LP approved, sanitized version.

Further, pictures regarding strategic aims (wonders, battle plans) are kept under lock and key until no information could possibly be spoiled/leaked. This is his choice, as he can report as he wishes in his own thread, but it comes across rather distrustful. To me, it is a symptom of the high-level competitiveness demonstrated again and again: anything which could possibly, no matter how remotely, have a negative impact on any part of the game is unacceptable and to be avoided. If this means logging in X number of times/turn, do it. Sandbag reporting? Do it. Ruthlessly effective, but as Gaspar said, not terribly fun to play against.

On another note, have any of the players posted demos lately other than LP? His crushing GNP (and the absolute certainty of more of the same to come) more than any other factor should be causing this game to be called.

[scooter]

This is also an example of why I think 18 players games are just a lost cause. Usually when players fall way behind they quit having fun, and in an 18 player game, it's a greater number of people hopelessly behind, so it's easy for it to just get called because so many players aren't having fun, even though that's often just because they didn't play all that well. Bigger games are a more prone to this than smaller games IMO.

[Rowain]

No one said anything of the sort about LP altering pictures. Gaspar's point was (I think) that LP isn't as open in reporting as some other players so you never really get the full picture of the issue, but perhaps a LP approved, sanitized version.

My point: Azza knew about the stack.

Gaspars point: Don't believe something because LP says so (I agree with that btw)

My point: there was a picture with the stack happily sitting in Azza land combined with me disbelieving that LP alteres pics that much => my above point is valid.

Nothing else .

[Boldly Going Nowhere]

My point: Azza knew about the stack.

Gaspars point: Don't believe something because LP says so (I agree with that btw)

My point: there was a picture with the stack happily sitting in Azza land combined with me disbelieving that LP alteres pics that much => my above point is valid.

Nothing else .

Gotcha, and agreed.

[Boldly Going Nowhere]

Dear every non-Mali non-Egypt player in this game: Thank you so very much for correcting this mechanical misunderstanding publicly before any hard was done. It's so nice to know that if I'm ever involved in such a situation, say with wonders and culture post-capture, you all will step up and lend a hand

My heart really goes out to poor Sunny-Rise (thanks for the name, Ichabod!). Such a good sport, plays referee between other players from time to time, kind enough to host all these games, and yet takes the prize of the war during sack of Rome, Nero, and razes because he's so cautious and didn't think to ask for advice.

What's the Civ award-equivalent for the combination of the Nobel Peace Prize and Time's Person of the Year? Could be the Sunrise Award, if he doesn't already have one.

[oledavy]

In response to all the drama and bad sportmanship that has ruined this game:

[darrelljs]

Nothing else .

This is what I think happened:

1. LP logged in early in the turn, and saw Azza hadn't moved. He waited.
2. Azza logged in and played his turn (not defending the decision to settle a city, that was silly).
3. LP saw that, logged in and made his move about half way through the timer.
4. The turn rolled, and as soon as possible LP logged in and played his turn.
5. Azza logged in at his normal playing time and saw LP had moved twice and had a fit.

There is basically nothing Azza can do to avoid this if he plays the turn at the same time every day. LP was under no obligation to wait for Azza to play, indeed I give him kudos for not delaying step #3 until everyone else had played so he could guarantee the double move. That said, given past events it would have been prudent to give Azza more time to play his turn.

Darrell

[Kyan]

Good grief

18 player games with contentious factors allowed (eg. tech trading or double moves) and diplo possible. Who would have ever thought this could go wrong.

I still have nightmares about pitboss 3...

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