Niccolò Machiavelli's Thread

[darrelljs]

I'd say it's a good deal for us if we can tie them to a long NAP and a promise to not gift away any units in the future.

Agreed...game long NAP?

Darrell

[plako]

Got this:

I'm afraid we owe quite a lot to M3 and pirates, so I can't give you
the no unit gifting guarantee. Also if we sign a NAP with you then
you'll probably just do what you did to TEAM last time (although
possibly against more competent defense now).

So for a peace deal to work for us you'd either need to offer NAPs to
other teams as well or drop the no unit gifting clause. Is that a
possibility?

we probably have weakened Gillette enough to get to space before them, if we continue this as "always peace". Not sure this game is worth playing to the end though.

[zakalwe]

Well I think it's silly that always peace and fighting 3/4 teams have become our only options. It doesn't really motivate me to play on. Maybe we should suggest calling the game as a draw or something. Unless you want to play on in always peace mode. I can certainly play a support role in that case, although I wouldn't know how to win a space race even if it were against AIs.

[plako]

Zak you really nailed it. I think I'll suggest draw unless someone there would really like to see this going forward. In peace alternative I'm pretty certain we could win this via space. If we're against 3 teams, we probably lose this to Gillette, but it would be a massive grindfest that I surely wouldn't enjoy playing through.

[plako]

Sent this to Gillette:

I've no will power to gather everyone behind a collective NAP. I think we could also agree to a NAP without gifting restrictions, but then we wouldn't have much intrest to give back the captured cities. I've no mandate from the team, but I suspect we could agree to pretty white peace including some kind of settling deal + NAP e.g. up to T250. If you think this could work, act fast since I'll play in ~12h.

[plako]

Had a short chat with Old Harry. There isn't gonna be peace. I will turn most of our cities on building wealth and head towards Railroad+Combustion ASAP. It is pretty clear Pirates and 3M join the fight when respective NAPs end. Our chances to win are very slim unless I start a massive diplo campaign to weaken the coalition and convert TEAM ro support us, but I really won't.

[novice]

Yeah I don't know what motivates people to play a team game against us for hundreds of turns.

Maybe we can have some fun with destroyers.

[darrelljs]

I'd say just concede and declare everyone else winners, which in our hearts is the same as declaring us the winner . Honestly if no one is looking forward to this let's just abort.

Darrell

[plako]

Clearly at least HAK is looking forward this. I can play and probably can find some entertaining enough puzzles to make it worth my time. Not gonna give 100% for it, but enough so that we won't be easily rolled over. If others find the dogpile entertaining enough, I'm ok to keep this game running for them.

[plako]

Zak - Just in case Q hasn't totally checked out from this could you ask how much gold he would be willing to give from cities? If he would promise to close borders from Pirates I would suggest him Screwdriver and Irish Coffee for 1000 g he has currently stored (could do with less in case he wants to bargain hard and depending on the price we could promise not to whip/draft them anymore).