[SPOILERS] Team EggHeads: DMOC and TeddyKGB (Now Lurker-Friendly!)

[TeddyKGB]

T73 finished.

Rome didn't move unit(s) toward us yet.
Still, silver city is a big risk. We'll have only 2 chariots to cover 2 workers and city itself. But we need that silver.
I did moved all units in the area as planed, but as a backup plan we could settle corn south of Cornell with that settler.

Just a few pictures.

I'll try to update cities list later.

[DMOC]

Cities:

CM - Yes, that was the plan: grow to size6 on something and put CM on settler for 1 turn. On T75 angry citizen no more and we can regrow CM again, prepaire to silver connected. But I'm afraid we had to finish chariot soon, to put it in MIT for garrison duty. After CM at size7 we could whip the settler 3pop and keep 2sci to GS on T84.

MIT - ok

Stanford - ok. Just like MIT we could delay Axe/Spear later if situation not so urgent. Tho, I'm afraid we had to hurry with units in silver city. Spear could be inside that city on T79-80, I suppose. Could be too late if Rome decide to visit us with 2-3 chariots before.

UC - I was gonna grow size6 and slave settler. Settler done on T78. I was gonna put 1 chop into it also, but its not critical. We could save forests till after Math.

Cornell - Yes, pretty straight forward. I was gonna farm flood plains after cow pastured, but maybe it make sense to connect Stone instead.

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Warrior: I don't agree with northern warrior moved so far. He is spawnbusting the area. If we move him now, there is 2 tiles barb archer could appear every turn. We have no military in that area to deal with it now. Once we planted city there or have some unit near, we could move him.

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Workers:

A and F: A moved on top of E and finish the road. That'll allow E move to chop into Library in Cornell in 1turn.
I was gonna put F on choping into UC settler, but he could do something else instead.

C and D: I was gonna move them back to flood plains and farm it, but Stone is another possibility.

E: E put 1 turn into road, see above about 'A and F'

B and G: Yes, I was gonna move them on silver and start mine it on T75(if city#6 7 of silver) or on T76(if city#6 9 of silver)

H: I have no idea. Probably cottage between CM and MIT or mine between MIT and Stanford.

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(1) I'm undecided too. Yes, I'm sure we'll get TR with empire, just need road silver tile. I was wrong before -- if we plant 7 of silver, we'll connect silver faster (T77), cause we don't need to road silver. If we planted with Crab in BFC, we need a road to connect city, but don't need a road to connect silver itself, so it would be T78 for silver connected and T79 for city#6 connected to the empire.

(2) Workboat to explore is nice, but there could be ocean north. And we don't need explore coast for TR now. I'm not sure about city#7 location, but corn/fish/horses/dye is a nice spot and potentially Moai site (we need granary and LH before Moai). I want to explore coast a bit with wb or war, but we can't do it now, imo.

Ok but just in case HG is still around when we finish maths maybe worker A should avoid chopping Berkeley? Worker A could consider mining one of the free hills left between MIT and/or capital, or build a farm for MIT. (Farm would take a while, though.)

Workers near Cornell --- even though ti will be a while before we have stone, we might consider connecting it so that the capital can put hammers into Moai statues to earn fail gold eventually. BUT ... would it make more sense to farm the floodplain? If we are sure that we will have the stone connected 1 (or 2?) turns after we finish Mathematics, then it's fine to go to the floodplains. I think we'll be okay with 2 workers, posisbly a third to help out at Cornell in terms of roading, etc.

Worker H -- I agree, cottage near Stanford. i woudl suggest the riverside grassland. We badly need more of those cottages.

Still thinking about city 6 location ...we have to decide soon, after all...right now I am inclined to settle it 9 of silver, so that we get the crabs as well. The danger is that this places our city farther away from the rest of our core, but I think either way we're going to want defenders on the silver tile, rather than (having most) in the city center.

Will we switch research to masonry now?

[TeddyKGB]

Yep, I decide to avoid chop into UC. Two workers will start cottage between MIT and CM this turn. Cottage finished on turn MIT grow size4.

There is 3 workers near Cornell now. 1 put 1t into flood plains farm and 2nd will join him this turn. 3rd start chopping into library this turn. Library T78-79 depends on if we wanna grow city or get library 1t faster. Another option is barracks there, there should be enough hammers in Cornell with Copper, plain cow and GH riverside mine.
Stone wasn't priority to my plan, cause I never believed we had a chance on Mids. Maybe that was another my mistake. Stone will be connected before Math. Math timing is around T86 (Academy on T84 + 2turns on 100% slider).

Worker H: actually I put him on GHmine between MIT and Stanford. We've got 2 more workers near, free after they finish cottage on T75.

Yup, 9 of silver is better if we could protect it. I think Rome has not Sailing, I should ask Yos.

Yep, I'll switch reseach to Masonry this turn and put slider on 100%. Maybe we could keep it at 0% till T84, tho.
I was thinking I knew mechanics of beakers overflow, but I learned thats not true before PB14 starts, after some sims from T0.
Still, I kinda made some decisions about next tech based on that old knowledge. My mistake.
We'll finish Masonry on T76, or we could delay it a bit more and accumulate gold for tech push after Academy on T84.

[TeddyKGB]

Another thing, about diplo.
If your midterm done soon and you have some free time for PB14, I would like to make a suggestion:

You take diplo exchange with Asterix and LP in your hands.

You should make me the scapegoat with Asterix, blame me for every mistake that not allow our alliance with him happens.
I still think Asterix is irrational and made some fast conclusions out of simple conversations. Like he said we agreed to some deals while we were just talking about it.
But maybe it would be better if we blame all misunderstanding on me alone and like 'ban me from diplo forever'.

LP is another story, but same principal. I did said some drunk words in tech thread, so they probably don't like me personally now.
I think LP himself is out for some time (last login on RB -- Oct,21), so they play without him atm. Not sure it would be wise for me talk to them now.
And we have some things to discuss with Orgy soonish.

In any case, diplo isnt so urgent to sacrifice real life for it. I just thought it would be better for us if you handle diplo with these two teams from now on.

[TeddyKGB]

Chatted with Yos a bit.
According to him, Rome doesnt have Sailing yet.

I was kinda offer OB for him, it could be not a best move if they are after GLH, but they didn't have a trade partner yet.
They didnt contact any of north teams yet, so we are in the uniq position to establish trust and get (non FIN) ally.

DMOC, are you ok if we send ALL our graphs to Yos for ALL their graphs and keep EP spending at 0/0 with them?
What about OB with no-scouting?

[DMOC]

Yes, that's fine to Yos, as long as it's reciprocated.

Can't devote time to sending messages to LP / Asterix tomorrow but I can do so on Friday. I've been thinking about doing so for a while, but have never really found the time for it. I agree in that I think we should try to 'clear things up' so to speak and I can try to get more involved.

[TeddyKGB]

T74.

Situation with Rome and silver city is interesting.
Rome moved that chariot out of borders. Next turn he could see our two workers. Still doesnt start EP on us, maybe its a good sign.

Moved some workers and tiles around. I'll put full report on the next turn.

M&M adopted slavery. LP's cap at size6.

CM will grow next turn to size6 and slavery unhappiness ended.
MIT will grow size4 and need a military unit, thats why CM will finish chariot. Next turn we could fogbust with a scout and move 1 warrior inside our culture.
Still at 0%, decided we could turn it on next turn with additional hamlet and cottage in library cities.
Spear could be finished on T76 in Stanford. Need build a road to silver area soonish.

Right now situation in between silver tiles is main concern.

[TeddyKGB]

Maybe we should DoW on Rome and offer peace?
At least we'll know if Rome wanna play AW style or we could get peace for 10 turns.

We could add short message explaining our actions to the trade screen.

Its better be done on T74, but we have little time left and only Pony left to play.

[DMOC]

1. I would not declare war on Rome ... I have no idea how'd they react. They might have Blame Caledorn or Dinosaurs as their target now, but if we start out the warring then they might dedicate their game to taking us out. Too risky imo. We might try sending them a message ingame asking if they check their team email.

2. Right now, I'm in the mood for settling 9 of silver to get crabs. A bit risky yes but we do need to take some risks after all. And with only 6 cities, we really should be trying to maximize the quality of our cities right now, and getting crabs will be useful for us. What do you think? By the way I just noticed that Blame Caledorn found furs in their screenshot they sent us. And it's in the ice, probably between us and them southwest of Stanford. Oh well, can't complain about the map got to live with it.

3. Next turn I'd suggest covering all workers/settlers we have in the area with at least one chariot. If we can crowd everyone on one tile that'd also be great.

4. I'll try to comment more on Friday once I have more time available. (And I can check the game.)

5. What do you think we should do with Cornell's tiles? I assume we'll be farming the floodplain that's already roaded, but there are also 3 other riverside grasslands (after forest chops) plus a floodplain. I would suggest cottaging those grasslands, but perhaps we should farm the floodplain? It's a bit less urgent if we can ensure we'll be keeping control of the cows.

City screens look good. I'm liking our progress, but we badly need more settlers, workers and military.

[TeddyKGB]

Ok, lets play some scenarios vs Rome:

- He moved chariot close to our silver tile. Next turn he moved toward cornell and we planted city with Crab in BFC.

- He moved 2nd chariot on top of his silver

I think we may need to destroy his chariot in some scenarios. I'm not sure what to do, hope we'll know more after his chariot move.
He is still not spending EP on us. Maybe we are not his 1st target, but once we found city#6 he could decide to have fun in tundra instead attacking Darius on his east.

Quick login ingame to take screenshots for Yos, didn't move any units.
We have SutOxy's graphs this turn.
Where we should put EP now? Rome? India? M&M? Yos?