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I went away from this one and came back. I've read the Lanun thread, read Thoth's thread and had a good look at the screenies on the last page belonging to Mr. Yellow.
My opinion: unless he can get serious defences up quickly an attack by Thoth will render him irrelevant, though not out of the game immediately. He's running skellington defences at the moment, after seriously pissing off his two nearest neighbours.
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And I'm getting the feeling that t105 will come as a huge shock to Mr. Yellow too (as I believe that he's under the impression that Nyk is his friend). Does he not realise that aggressive settling would only antagonise his neighbours, and convince them of the advisablity of eliminating him.
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I'm not entirely sure he realizes that he has been settling aggressively. He thinks that he was entitled to the location right next to Thoth's capital and he was personally aggrieved by the idea that Nyktorion might want a few tiles of the floodplains too.
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Just like old saying; your neighbour's dumplings always look larger than yours, huh? I think Mr. Yellow would have handsomely benefited from some devil's advocate input from dedicated lurkers. I am curious though- if he had chosen to expand normally a.k.a. 'peacefully', would there have been enough room for him to plant a lot of decent cities?
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If he was willing to bite the bullet and go for coastal cities... sure. Enough to get him to Fanatacism in decent shape. From there, he can look to expand in a better way. Not as well off as Thoth, Mardoc and Warrior Knight, but probably on about the same level as Nyktorion or Irgy.
Honestly, I think the city on the marble that was bordering Thoth is fine, although demanding to also get the Barb city is a bit much. The floodplain cities towards Nyktorion came in the wrong order, but are also understandable. His settled city sites are basically fine.
What is reallyinsane was the way he went about the settling. He opens settling negotiations with Thoth by demanding that Thoth not settle a gold resource right outside his capitals borders and begrudgingly backing down. He reacts to Nyktorions border cities by first threatening, then moving for a culture war.
The marble city. The nyktorion cities. Another city in the "Warrior Knight" floodplains that Thoth and Sciz were pointing him to. That is already 5 cities, including the capital. He had room for another 4 or 5 coastal cities as well. 9/10 cities is far more than enough to serve as a tech base then crusade fulcrum.
He would actually be in a better position than Irgy and Nyktorion in retrospect. They probably only have room for 7/8 cities "naturally".
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Selrahc Wrote:Honestly, I think the city on the marble that was bordering Thoth is fine, although demanding to also get the Barb city is a bit much. The floodplain cities towards Nyktorion came in the wrong order, but are also understandable. His settled city sites are basically fine.
What is reallyinsane was the way he went about the settling. He opens settling negotiations with Thoth by demanding that Thoth not settle a gold resource right outside his capitals borders and begrudgingly backing down. He reacts to Nyktorions border cities by first threatening, then moving for a culture war.
Well just taking these two points. I'm of the opinion that Thoth was perfectly happy to concede the city on the marble, provided he would be allowed to do some horsetrading for it. But Mr. Yellow made a huge bru-ha-ha about the double gold FP site and was threatening dire consequences over it. That's what got Thoth's heckles up. And the icing on the cake was the dog-in-the-mangerish antics over the barb city.
As regards the situation with Nyk I'm only reading it second-hand as I've not read all their respective threads (just the last 2 weeks worth), but I do feel that to go for a big grab like that you need to have the force to back it up or the brass neck to tough it out. And the last thing you should be doing is expecting the other player to cheer you on if you get in trouble elsewhere. If I were Mr. Yellow I would expect a back-stab from Nyk (even without the spoiler info I'm privy to as a lurker), it's only common sense.
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I dunno why Thoth is letting Mardoc settle there. Thoth can easily get there first and cut any Mardoc settler off, and the only thing he's getting in return is a happy resource pretty much. I don't think a happy resource is worth having a Mardoc city practically in his backlines.
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Irgy has 2 native mana nodes(one of which he doesn't know about but is about to find) and agreements with WarriorKnight to get use of another mana node and shared custody of Letum Frigus.
Honestly, I would have pushed a hell of a lot harder to get native control of that third node, given that he is planning on a mage based military and a tower victory. Giving another player control of your primary instruments of war is a bad idea. And given that WarriorKnight will not really be focussing on arcane tech, it is unlikely that Irgy could use the node for whatever he wanted.
He needs to get the tower of necromancy, convert his own nodes into death mana, and go and conquer WarriorKnight. If he wants to go for the tower after that, he will at least have the nodes for the job.
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^ Very true. I can understand Irgys reluctance t attack the Elohim, Since they'd get 20 turns of preparation. But the longer he waits, the more it benefits Warriorknight. it has already allowed him to focus mainly on economic techs to the exclusion of military ones, giving him a powerful economy. Really, Irgy's reluctance to put pressure on WK when he was running farmers gambit is coming back to bite him in the ass, stifling his expansion potential.
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Irgy continues to play Gandhi of the Sheaim. It's kind of funny reading about how he's going to build Planar Gates- what's the point? Who does he intend to attack with Revellers and Mobius Witches? The Elohiem who he has jumped into bed with and allowed to keep their worldspell so that they can now delay any assault until its irrelevant? The Elves whose trees he wants to join in hugging? Surely not Thoth or Mardoc, each located half a world away.
I think that allowing Warrior Knight any sort of access to ice mana was a severe lapse of judgement on Irgy's part. I mean, who would ever willingly give their rival with an early heroic archmage such cheap access to the deadliest spell in the game?
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