RBPB4 Postgame Thread

[WarriorKnight]

Very funny Sulla.

I don't really have much else to add since I've been out of the game for a while now. The lurker thread probably covers everything about my game already.

[Lord Parkin]

Another random thought: I do wonder whether some of the players and/or lurkers would have been a little more keen for us to keep playing - at least for a bit - if they'd known it was Sullla and Speaker that were getting pummelled, rather than poor Locke and Cervantes. Ah well.

Also for the record, the whole attack Locke thing was the most ludicrous thing. Seriously, he's 1/2 way around the world from both of us and around Nakor. We thought you were being un-serious... I don't know what to think if you were serious about that.

Actually I was totally serious if you'd been interested. At that particular point in the game, I was pretty much waiting to see where the winds would take me with respect to targets. Wherever I could get an ally, I'd be game to attack. If you'd been keen to take down Locke, I would have been game to try it - although obviously waiting until at least post-Astronomy would have been necessary.

Also, for the record, if you'd seemed genuinely interested in taking down Rego, I would have been game there. (Funnily enough, it seems Rego was terrified about us doing just that - and before he signed the long NAP with us, it could very well have happened. If you'd been more interested in working with us at the time it probably would have.)

The next thing we'll know is that Adlain was played by Sirian.

Or that WarlordDR was played by Jon Shafer.

(No, that's mean, sorry. )

[Man Behind the Mask]

Whoa, I’m famous!

I’ve greatly enjoyed having a unique perspective on this game, so many thanks to Sullla and Speaker for their hospitality. I’m pretty sure, right to the last, they disagreed with nearly every opinion I ventured and that my posts were at best mildly annoying. So that I don’t continue the theme, I’ll keep my postgame thoughts brief.

Congratulations to Lord Parkin on a game well won. I think he reacted to the conditions in the game brilliantly, and that was the key factor in the result. I’ve made some comments in the lurker thread about my discomfort with the way LP expresses himself sometimes. I hope I’ve explained my reasons and he reads them constructively, as I’m sure he’s not really the pantomime villain that his own posts can make him out to be.

Thanks to all the players for a fun game, and also to GES who I suspect did a lot of unseen work in the background.

[Lord Parkin]

Okay, reading Sullla's private thread there were a lot of highly amusing comments viewed in retrospect... but this took the cake:

What do we get out of signing a longterm peace deal with Parkin? How does that help us? Are we really supposed to be scared of Parkin sailing an army over to attack us? LOL

I looked for an appropriately evil smiley, but couldn't find one in the list here.

[Lord Parkin]

On another note - Sullla, if you were keen for a NAP with me while you tried to sneak a cultural victory (as you say in a few places), then why did you never send me a message about it? Not that I would have been likely to listen post-T180 and especially not post-T200... but you never even tried to prevent me declaring war on you. A bit baffling.

[Lord Parkin]

The initial NAP was a big mistake, but as said LP had a very efficient ways to sugarcoat his offering and those days we were clear #1 and did foolishly belive that we were the ones getting most out of the deal. Biggest problem was the insane length that I never should have accpeted.

For the record, as should be obvious by now - despite being fierce when provoked, I'm a bit of a builder and peacenik at heart. I actually thought at the time we signed our agreement (where you were the clear leader) that you'd probably get more out of a long NAP than us, but I enjoy building stuff in peace enough that I didn't mind.

Also, to respond to those earlier requests for my complete thoughts on Sullla's game - I'm working on a detailed write-up and will probably post it sometime tomorrow. I'm pretty sure some folks won't be happy to hear what I have to say, but oh well. Being unpopular never stopped me before.

[Rowain]

Like most of the lurkers I enjoyed Locke's thread. Strong play, high quality updates, and lack of long passages elaborating on how you're better than the others are a good combination.

That the Locke-way of posting and doing diplo is alot more popular than the Sulla-way shouldn't come as a surprise after all the criticism Sulla got for his style in PB2.

What I find amusing is: In PB2 Sulla was in an uproar because the other players allied to take down the runaway and here he was member of such an alliance and even gifted several Units.

I wonder what ragestorm the PB2-thread would have seen had CotW even violated the NAP instead of giving Sulla/Speaker the time to get Axes.

I do think you guys got screwed by the map somewhat. A lack of early happiness is painful. And I sure think that Lord Parkin got lucky in several ways. Winners of large games that involve luck usually do. I disagree with many criticisms of him though. He clearly played well, too. He played most appropriately to the scenario of anyone, IMO.

QFE

[regoarrarr]

Well that's because of your start. If you hadn't sacrificed so much to get the great lighthouse, you would have been in a much stronger position to attack and win cities. A long exposed coastline is much easier to attack than a narrow land chokepoint. If nothing else you could have posed a credible threat, forcing LP to build more defense and focus on near you.

I totally disagree. What point would be served in trying to harass someone whose land you can't hold? So that his land neighbors (you, plako, nakor) can take his land?

[antisocialmunky]

I totally disagree. What point would be served in trying to harass someone whose land you can't hold? So that his land neighbors (you, plako, nakor) can take his land?

I think I offered to give you the area closest to you uncontested after we cleared it out. No one can assimilate that much land that quickly and I would imagine that you could have help his core since it was so big.

[Twinkletoes89]

That the Locke-way of posting and doing diplo is alot more popular than the Sulla-way shouldn't come as a surprise after all the criticism Sulla got for his style in PB2.

I think you hit the nail on the head there Rowain.

Noone likes reading a team just beating up and mocking the other teams publicly. Locke's thread was funny, succinct and informative when it wanted to be.

What I find amusing is: In PB2 Sulla was in an uproar because the other players allied to take down the runaway and here he was member of such an alliance and even gifted several Units.

I wonder what ragestorm the PB2-thread would have seen had CotW even violated the NAP instead of giving Sulla/Speaker the time to get Axes.

Very true. I think this game has shown Spulla's assertion that you dogpile only on reputation to be false. Dogpiles come about when someone is dominant and needs to be taken down (as Parkin was). It was only the icing on the cake that the dominant team contained two very talented players.