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Cloak & Dagger Thread

#81
August 11th, 2012, 16:10
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Those yields fit with a forested, grassland hill deer and a camped, forested, grassland hill deer. Any other tiles that I can think of with those yields, excluding stuff like resourced floodplain hills, would require chopping a forest to improve.
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#82
August 12th, 2012, 01:53
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Wow, some big score increases this turn!

Name: T20 Score --> T21 Score: change: feeble attempt at an explanation

TEAM: 65-->84: +19: Wonder (16) + Pop (3)
Trolls: 49-->74: +25: Wonder (16) + Tech (6) + Pop (3)
Us: 59-->59: +/-0
Pirates: 59-->59: +/-0
Menagerie: 53-->53: +/-0

I guess this means that both SH and TGW should have fallen this turn, which we should be able to verify in the turn log. I have no idea how this is possible.
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#83
August 12th, 2012, 02:59
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I puzzled for a moment but then I noticed that t20 thing. It's culture points for the teams who settled on the first turn. Good work with the tracking!
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#84
August 12th, 2012, 13:23
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trols and team are both creative?
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#85
August 12th, 2012, 13:32
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mackoti Wrote:trols and team are both creative?

They settled on T0. It's for the first 9 tiles, not the full 21.
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#86
August 12th, 2012, 13:41
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Sorry, I think I wrote the turns wrong. All teams have already gotten their 13 point increases for the initial 9 tiles. These score increases were actually from turn 22.
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#87
August 12th, 2012, 13:59
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So they got the poits for another 12 tiles , becasue xpanded borders in turn 2.So that explains the scores.
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#88
August 18th, 2012, 13:29
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Thanks for pointing that out about the Cre teams getting their second ring land score. I would have thought the increase would come on T23.

Back on T22, the Trolls must have gotten a tech in addition to their land points (19+6). They got their first tech on T14, so it took 8 turns. Looking at the demos, it appears there was no soldier increase from T21 to T22, so it was a powerless tech. Agri seems to fit for that, so I'll put that down on the spreadsheet.

TEAM got a 4-point increase on T23. That must have been their capital going to size 3. Pirates got their Land score increase on T24 (only +17, so they (fittingly) have a water tile in their BFC). Menagerie got their Land score increase and a pop increase on T25.

That gets us all caught up. I'm interested to see if Mackoti's move revealed anything that will give us confirmation on what the Trolls researched (a Worker building a Farm).
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#89
August 21st, 2012, 10:50
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Given the recent developments with TEAM sniping our scout, I thought I'd give a full rundown on where they're at, so we know what we're dealing with here.

Team Excellent Anger Management - Willem (Cre + Fin) of Sumeria (starting Techs = Agri + TW, UU = Vulture, UB = Ziggurat)

Turn 0 - Settle Capital
Turn 3 - First Border Pop
Turn 5 - Hunting tech researched
~Turn 10 - GNP at 24 confirming they are researching AH and that they have met Pirates
Turn 15 - Animal Husbandry tech researched
Turn 19 - Growth to size 2, warrior built by unknown nation
Turn 20 - Land points
Turn 22 - Land Points
Turn 23 - Growth to size 3
Turn 25 - Second Border Pop

So, they have a size-3 capital, they have Agri, TW, Hunting and AH as techs, their capital is at the third culture ring, and they potentially have a second warrior built.
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#90
August 22nd, 2012, 11:11 (This post was last modified: August 22nd, 2012, 11:40 by YossarianLives.)
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I have a question about the way CivStats tracks score increases with sequential turns. I don't think it's really important, but I'm just curious.

On T25, Menagerie got a 19-point score increase for land points as soon as the turn flipped. Then, they logged in, got an additional 6-point score increase, and logged out. So, the turn ended with a total score increase of 25 points for Menagerie, but spread out over the turn.

Earlier, on T22 when the Trolls got a 25-point score increase for land and a tech, the entire increase came with the turn flip.

In general, some score increases occur as soon as the turn flips, and others occur while the team is logged in playing their turn (presumably after they end turn, which CivStats does not show). Does anyone know what causes this?

Edit: A somewhat related question: any ideas about what Tech Menagerie completed on T25? Their first tech finished on T15 (I guessed AH for that one, since there was also a 2k power increase), and they started with Hunting and Mining. There was a 10k total power increase from T24 to T26, but unfortunately we don't have the T25 demos. I haven't given them any tech on the spreadsheet yet.
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