[SPOILERS] Khazad-Doomed!

[flugauto]

How about FoL, it gives food. Or AV SotW later.

[Ichabod]

How about FoL, it gives food. Or AV SotW later.

FoL is great!

I'm really considering it. I need hammers and food in the capital, so ancient forest lumbermills fit that pretty well. And now they are allowed (you don't need to have them pre-built).

[Ichabod]

Called it!

The other side of the map also revealed some food too, albeit not exactly that much.

[GreyWolf]

Plains cow is not food, as Obsolete from CFC used to remind us in very bitter tones.

[Qgqqqqq]

I like the second city site (I presume you meant the tile the warrior was on?).

What tech reveals the food on this map?

Mithril Working

[Ichabod]

Ok, my friendly ded-lurkers, a big question for you (sorry for not reporting lately, not many turns passeb by, though). I'll play my turn 2/3 hours from now and I have a big decision to make. I just found Kyan's borders on the last turn with my warrior, though we haven't met yet. I'll use a picture of my start as a mirror of teh situation:

My warrior is on the red X, near Kyan's capital. The green circle is a hill tile in his land, but the yellow tile is not, it's flat. I could make a double move in my turn and go for the green X tile, having a chance of threatening Kyan's capital in 2 turns. Kyan starts with a warrior and a scout, I think there's a reasonable chance that he's still exploring with the two. I probably can kill a scout defending the Capital with my warrior.

The otehr thing I could do is wait on the tile my warrior is now for a turn. If Kyan's capital mirrors mine (I'm sure we all have equal capitals, not sure if the exact tile position is equal, though), the green X is a wheat tile and the likely destination of his worker. But, mirroring my opening, Kyan's worker will actually be in the blue X this turn, farming a plain. Kyan won't wate the worker movement by 2 moving into the wheat, I'm sure. So, if I wait one turn, I have a bigger chance of stealing his worker.

So, what do I do?

1. Go to the hill this turn, meeting Kyan and warning him of the threat, and:
a. Invade his land. If his capital is not defended, this is the quickest way to punish it, with the higher chance of working. It's unlikely that I'll get his worker, though.
b. Take a look to see what he has and, if it's not good, get back to my hiding place and wait for him to make a mistake (like going for the wheat with his worker).

2. Stay put for a turn and try to steal a worker the next turn. Higher chance of worker steal, lesser cahnce of wiping him out. I expect Kyan to want revenge if I do this and can't finish him. But a worker loss is really, really bad to recover from. That plus a choke will put him way back, while improving my position, if I can bring the worker back.

3. Show my warrior and do nothing, hoping that Kyan will be grateful and help me later.

[Qgqqqqq]

Not 3, leaning 2 atm - problem is that backfires if for example the wheat is on a different tile.
What did we get told re:mirroring?
Your sure yellow isn't a hill?
If you go for 2, would it be worthwhile to move on the dye this turn?

[Qgqqqqq]

You're the king of rushing with starting units though, so it'll likely be empty.

[Ichabod]

Not 3, leaning 2 atm - problem is that backfires if for example the wheat is on a different tile.
What did we get told re:mirroring?
Your sure yellow isn't a hill?
If you go for 2, would it be worthwhile to move on the dye this turn?

Nothing regarding mirroring, but I'm entirely sure our capitals are the same. All the demos were the same and DaveV's demos were exactly what my Capital would be working at size 3.

The rest of the map is not mirrored, as I can see from what I've explored so far. Yellow isn't a hill, unfortunately - that'd let me 1 turn attack his capital by surprise. I'll see about the dyes tile (it's not dyes near Kyan, showing the non mirroring), I'm a bit worried if that could end up revealing myself.

Do you have acess to Civ right now? Here's the save, if you want to take a look: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2124...dSwordSave - password is Ichabod - with the capital I.

[Serdoa]

Forget the last option. Imo Kyan will be grateful, but that won't change the fact that he will only do whatever does benefit him most. So that leaves either 1 or 2. Now 1b doesn't work as you shouldn't get vision in his capital. So either

a) invade
b) wait for worker-steal

I would wait for the worker-steal. Even if he just builds a scout that will be 2.9 against 3. So you will have winning odds, but its pretty uncertain still. Taking him out completely would not even benefit you at this point (you don't gain anything for that). Getting his worker will.