RBPitboss #2 Athlete4life10 & Kalin

[kalin]

Also had a brief chat in game with Sullla. Nothing much was said though we should expect an e-mail from them in the near future regarding renewing our NAP. If we are going to trade/lend units to Jowy we need to be very careful with this.

That is something that it will be difficult to deal with. I was hoping to just fly under the radar on that NAP... There are two options. Renew the NAP until T100 which ties our hands. By the way, in my opinion gifting troops to an enemy is not breaking a NAP. The other option is to not renew the NAP, but that would look so bad that it's not really an option.

Kalin

[athlete4life10]

Kalin,

While waiting for my oil change, I've done some quick calculations. We can get another HA out of Kashyyyk on T80 if need be. However it requires us to work the grasshill mine instead of the cows on T77. I don't believe this should be done and all the overflow from our 6th HA should be put into a worker which will complete T81 with a chop. Let me know your thoughts though.

Out of Endor we should wait to whip our HA until T80. This gives more overflow into the library and allows us to work the gold longer.

Byz changed the tiles they were working to mines so I moved our 2 chariots on the grass hill to the plains hill 1S, though I think you've logged in and seen that already. Anyways we shall need to monitor their builds closely.

Athlete

[athlete4life10]

Kalin's sent an e-mail out to CoW:

Members of the CoW,

I have some less good news. I noticed that 2 turns ago India's power
spiked, and I suspect it's not all from techs. Maybe some of the
people scouting India's land can tell us more.

Since the game is going again, we need to get organized a bit faster.
Please try to send some plan to the others so that we can comment and
see how to collaborate better.

Thanks,

Kalin for Team A/K of the Ottomans

Rome sent a response:

Greetings Friends and Allies,

I am very glad to hear that the Romali and Greece are on board. I agree with Kalin's assertion that we will be successful, although we cannot take success for granted, either. I am sure that once everyone states what forces they expect to be able to contribute we will be able begin formulating our strategy.

Speaking of strategy, I wanted to address our goals for this operation. Our objective should be clear. However, while I am fairly certain that I know what we want to do, I wish to suggest what our primary objective should be. We have many options: Simply harass India without eliminating them; destroy most of their towns; completely eliminate them. We could pick any of those goals and develop our plans around that. However, I think that our primary objective should be to completely eliminate India. In the event that they have secured overseas colonies, I think that we can settle with: Driving India off of the continent.

If we agree that this is our objective, we will have to make sure that we can bring enough forces to bear.

Most of you know that I am on tense terms with the Koreans. I expect that a significant number of my troops will be required to secure my territory in the near future. However, I still believe that I will be able to contribute soldiers to the cause. To that end, I have decided to research Sailing before Writing in order to build Galleys sooner rather than later. Sailing should be completed no later than Turn 90, though hopefully a little sooner. I plan to ship my troops to India via the sea. I will have at least two Galleys holding a total of four Praetorians, though I will try to make that three and six. There is a good chance that I will land in waves, hopefully having another four soldiers ready to go when the Galleys come back, but I cannot say for certain. There is also a possibility that I will not be ready to move out immediately on Turn 100, though I will do all that I can to meet that deadline.

I would also like to point out that India will probably have a tech advantage over most of us. I expect to see Catapults, even, so Horse Archers may be quite valuable. Kalin has pointed out a recent boost to India's power. I recall seeing several Chariots when I passed through their territory, and they have just made a two-popluation and a one-population whip, based on the scores, so perhaps those are going into military production. Perhaps someone who has a better view of their territory would know more.

That is all that I can offer at the moment. Hopefully I will have a better sense of my time table a few more turns into the game.

Oh, and a very minor gripe: I know not of a civilization named "Rome." Mine is named "The Galactic Empire," or just "The Empire" for short.


To victory,

Whosit, Galactic Emperor

And Mali has responded:

Hi followers of the CoW!

kalin asked me to post some stuff so here I am posting stuff.

Currently Mali (Or as I like to refer to myself the Romali) have been preparing for conflict with the Killer Angels for a short time, by t90 I should have a 2nd road to Spulla from my western city to their western lands so we can hit them in multiple places.

As for their improving power, they told me they're upgrading their anti-barb defences (which were virtually zero) and I think they know that Jowy's been building military. Note that I don't think they had archery before and that helps the power graph (thats why I was 1st in power early on).
When do we plan on declaring? Currently my NAP with them runs out on t90 but kalin has talked of t100 and it looks like we could have some Praets around then which would be a big help.

They currently have 4 cities (probably 5 in the next 15 turns), Antietam and Gettysburg are the southern targets, both are on hills and were defended by single warriors last time I checked, Gettysburg has 40% culture def, Anti has 20. Gettys can be approached while staying on hills or forests at all times.

Their copper + horse are fairly central in their land, if the northern attacks are successful then it should be easy to pillage them.

I have full view over their cities and nearby territory so if you need to know something, just ask. I'm not going to be keeping my warrior in their land though since I'm pretty sure they'd see that as an overly aggressive move.

-Dantski

[Jabah]

Question for the lurkers: Is there any way to figure out if Byzantium gets metal?

Thanks,
Kalin

You probably need to have a possible trading route between you, then you could check on the diplo screen (or F4 'ressources') [or possibly F5 'military advantages' ?]

[kalin]

While waiting for my oil change, I've done some quick calculations. We can get another HA out of Kashyyyk on T80 if need be. However it requires us to work the grasshill mine instead of the cows on T77. I don't believe this should be done and all the overflow from our 6th HA should be put into a worker which will complete T81 with a chop. Let me know your thoughts though.

I just got a thought. I think we may want a galley. Not only we'd need it to colonize the islands, but... we may be able to circumnavigate! That's quite a nifty bonus to get.

Good job in getting that option for a HA on T80! I think at the moment that we don't need it, but let's wait and see. As always having the option is good!

Out of Endor we should wait to whip our HA until T80. This gives more overflow into the library and allows us to work the gold longer.

I agree in principle. We need to see how it will fit with the overall attack plan. I think that at the moment, the most likely option is for T82.

Byz changed the tiles they were working to mines so I moved our 2 chariots on the grass hill to the plains hill 1S, though I think you've logged in and seen that already. Anyways we shall need to monitor their builds closely.

It looks like they switched their build too. The EP screen was changed, the cost for sabotage production was not listed.

Kalin

[kalin]

You probably need to have a possible trading route between you, then you could check on the diplo screen (or F4 'ressources') [or possibly F5 'military advantages' ?]

Thanks for the answer, but I don't understand. We cannot get a trade route with Byzantium since we are at war. I guess that's not what you meant. Can you please rephrase maybe?

Kalin

[Jabah]

Thanks for the answer, but I don't understand. We cannot get a trade route with Byzantium since we are at war. I guess that's not what you meant. Can you please rephrase maybe?

Kalin

I mean (in SP) when discussing peace treaty in the diplo screen, you could see gold/gpt/tech/ressource/cities (but you need alpha to see tech and a 'physically possible' trade connection to see ressource). [so either road/river which you don't or one of you need sailing and clear defogged sea]
The F4 'ressources' and F5 'milatry advantage' might be in BUG mod only, can't remember about 'basic no mod'

[kalin]

I mean (in SP) when discussing peace treaty in the diplo screen, you could see gold/gpt/tech/ressource/cities (but you need alpha to see tech and a 'physically possible' trade connection to see ressource). [so either road/river which you don't or one of you need sailing and clear defogged sea]
The F4 'ressources' and F5 'milatry advantage' might be in BUG mod only, can't remember about 'basic no mod'

Thanks again this just makes a lot of sense now!

Athlete, before we get sailing we need a chariot on that grass hill that would defog the coast. Then CTRL-click on Byzantium name bring the diplo screen on and we could see resources.

Kalin

[Shoot the Moon]

I mean (in SP) when discussing peace treaty in the diplo screen, you could see gold/gpt/tech/ressource/cities (but you need alpha to see tech and a 'physically possible' trade connection to see ressource). [so either road/river which you don't or one of you need sailing and clear defogged sea]
The F4 'ressources' and F5 'milatry advantage' might be in BUG mod only, can't remember about 'basic no mod'

I'm pretty sure the military advantage is only in BUG.

The resources trade screen, I believe, is in standard Civ 4.

[novice]

However, what you're really worrying about as far as I can tell, is someone trading metal to Byzantium. I don't think such a resource will show up in the diplo screen as Byzantium cannot trade it to you. If, however, you have that resource hooked up yourself, the diplo screen will show you that Byzantium already has secured a source of their own (or not), (by hooking it up themselves or through trade).

Hope that made sense...