[SPOILERS!] Pericles of Babylon. Kyan, Twinkletoes, Whosit.

[Kyan]

Whilst i totally agree in principle, i'm a little worried we're over-emphasizing infrastructure. We're once again falling behind on cities and we desperately need workers.

[Kyan]

Some random Paris pics that i took:



Eiffel Tower seen from the roof of Montparnasse



The Louvre. This place is majestic.



Eiffel Tower seen from the ground.



Inner machinations of the Eiffel Tower. I found these mesmerising.

[Whosit]

OK. Nice pictures. We know what the Eiffel Tower grants, but I wonder what the cultural bonus from the Louvre is. +8?

Anyway, I played all of 1 turn. I think the game is paused. Again. At least this gives us plenty of time to talk about stuff.

My official position is: "We need more of everything." My personal position is: "We need more of everything yesterday!"

I support getting at least one more city quickly, namely the Horse city for two reasons: Get Horses, get 8 cities. After that . . . I'm not as keen on expanding. Our work force is not even adequate for our current number of cities. Combine that with the poor land around us and city-spamming will just be a drain on our economy. I would prefer strengthening and developing what we currently have before venturing out to claim more. More Workers is definitely on the list of things to do, but I feel like I have to push Infrastructure because you seem to ignore it.

Universities are a must. We get them at double speed because we are Philosophical, plus they give +25% beakers, and I don't think that I have to explain why that is important for a civ that's doing teching. I never did get the chance to catch up on e-mail (sorry) so I'm still not sure if our funding has been cut. If we still expect to get money, Markets can be delayed, but Courthouses are still important.

Also, 8 Universities are important for Oxford. We want an Oxford. Do we have any allies that would be willing to lend us stone like we lent out our Marble? And, as I mentioned, 8 Banks to get Wallstreet should also be on our Agenda. Can't make as much use of it as we could with a Holy City, but Ruth could still do well with it. Not entirely sure where to put Oxford, though. Capital, perhaps.

If you can show me how planting a bunch of new cities now will help us, then I'll figure out how best to do that. Otherwise, Whosit's Domestic Plan is to Consolidate.

Oh, and we need more troops, of course. :neenernee We should probably actually station a few outside our Borders to fogbust, but I don't think we have the spare troops for that, so we're stuck dealing with them as they wander in. We need more roads at our fringes, and even within our core. So more Workers. Hmm. I hope I'll have time to open the save tonight. I wonder what the best way to get 3-5 Workers out quickly would be, aside from whipping. Whipping . . . probably don't want to do that now, but maybe.

[Kyan]

OK. Nice pictures. We know what the Eiffel Tower grants, but I wonder what the cultural bonus from the Louvre is. +8?

Opens up all gov't civics MINUS Representation? Mini-Mids

Anyway, I played all of 1 turn. I think the game is paused. Again. At least this gives us plenty of time to talk about stuff.

Yeah India paused again. Thanks for catching the turn

I support getting at least one more city quickly, namely the Horse city for two reasons: Get Horses, get 8 cities. After that . . . I'm not as keen on expanding. Our work force is not even adequate for our current number of cities. Combine that with the poor land around us and city-spamming will just be a drain on our economy. I would prefer strengthening and developing what we currently have before venturing out to claim more.

Ok, i'm happy with that.

More Workers is definitely on the list of things to do, but I feel like I have to push Infrastructure because you seem to ignore it.

Probably totally true. It's difficult with the mega pace of this game.

Universities are a must. We get them at double speed because we are Philosophical, plus they give +25% beakers, and I don't think that I have to explain why that is important for a civ that's doing teching. I never did get the chance to catch up on e-mail (sorry) so I'm still not sure if our funding has been cut. If we still expect to get money, Markets can be delayed, but Courthouses are still important.

We'll be doing Banking at our own pace and then, for the mean time, funding Mali.

Also, 8 Universities are important for Oxford. We want an Oxford. Do we have any allies that would be willing to lend us stone like we lent out our Marble? And, as I mentioned, 8 Banks to get Wallstreet should also be on our Agenda. Can't make as much use of it as we could with a Holy City, but Ruth could still do well with it. Not entirely sure where to put Oxford, though. Capital, perhaps.

Ruth would probably be best longterm BUT it's a lot more vulnerable. Yes, i can get us stone anytime. Agreed on those two being vital.

If you can show me how planting a bunch of new cities now will help us, then I'll figure out how best to do that. Otherwise, Whosit's Domestic Plan is to Consolidate.

I guess im just scared by India, they're up to something stupid like 11.

I wonder what the best way to get 3-5 Workers out quickly would be, aside from whipping. Whipping . . . probably don't want to do that now, but maybe.

You know, i would probably totally support this. MAYBE except for Genesis. Maybe. Bah i so suck at micro. Our cities are just all so small

[Whosit]

Well, if the President says to pull out the whip, then I'll pull out the whip. I'll take a look soon to see which cities can afford to take the hit.

Actually, I'm not sure what to call you. I consider myself the Domestic Adviser. You run things, so I call you the President.

Anyway, I don't think I'll have time tonight to really analyze things. That might have to wait until Wednesday. India's expansion is certainly troublesome, but don't get fixated on their city count. It's certainly going to make them stronger, but if we blindly try to emulate them, we will only become weaker. Hopefully you can find a way to eventually isolate them diplomatically, and then dog-pile them militarily.

Extra points if we get everyone else to do the fighting for us.

If we're going to become Funders, then building Markets and Banks is actually the #1 Priority because they multiply gold. Hmm, that would actually be a good excuse to build such buildings. Not sure why we're being Funders, though, since we lack those multipliers at the moment. Might as well finish any Universities in progress, though, since they still help unlock Oxford.

Remember: If we're considering multipliers only, Banks > Markets. I don't think we have access to any Market resources. Not that I remember, anyway. So once Banking is complete, we're putting Banks in every city, no matter what. This will make us better funders, but will also strengthen us when we have to go solo.

I'm still working under the assumption that we are in no immediate military danger.

[Kyan]

Well, if the President says to pull out the whip, then I'll pull out the whip. I'll take a look soon to see which cities can afford to take the hit.

Actually, I'm not sure what to call you. I consider myself the Domestic Adviser. You run things, so I call you the President.

Haha. Call me whatever you want. You should see some of the handles i've been using in practice MP games

I'm still working under the assumption that we are in no immediate military danger.

I'll let you know if this changes but i believe us to be totally safe still.

[Whosit]

I'll let you know if this changes but i believe us to be totally safe still.

We are never totally safe, Mr. President.

[Strike700]

What is the reason for switching to funding from research, has someone passed you in pure beaker output potential?

Also nice Paris pics Kyan!

[Whosit]

What is the reason for switching to funding from research, has someone passed you in pure beaker output potential?

Hopefully Kyan can answer those questions, because I am still curious.

Anyway, I am here to say that I logged in and did some stuff. First off, I killed the Spearman we had by Joshua. Lost to a Barbarian Horse Archer. Finished it off with a Bowman. The HA destroyed a Cottage we had.

Also, a note at Exodus: Kyan, please, please, if there is a forested hill and you are going to eventually mine it, please just mine it, don't chop then mine. We could have worked that tile for 3 hammers, but now it's a 2 hammer tile until you build the mine. Doing it all at once is usually best.

I did some build changes.

Exodus: Slotted in a Worker ahead of the nearly done Pikeman. The Worker will be done in two turns because it gets the benefit of the Forest chop. Seemed like a good idea to me. No whips needed.

Leviticus: Changed from University to a 2-turn Worker (it had a lot of overflow from being whipped). I could MM to get it in one turn, but that involves firing the Scientists, which I would rather not do. But we can talk about it, there's still a lot of time left on the turn.

Numbers: Micro'd to get a Worker in 5, rather than six (worked a forest grassland rather than farm to get 8 hammers instead of 7 (Forge multiplier)). We can whip in 2 turns for Max Overflow. This is a good time to build a Worker, too, since the city has no improved tiles to grow into. I mean, it could hire Scientists, but we might as well finish improving the place.

I put up a sign. Whip on Turn 125!! We'll get 24 hammers of overflow and grow in a turn, anyway (the city was 1 turn from growth). Work the farm again after the worker is whipped.

Joshua: I was going to build a Forge here, but changed it to a Worker, instead. Whip it next turn, T124. Overflow will be minimal, but it gets us another Worker. It should grow back in a turn. We DO want a Forge next. I have it Queued.

Judges: Judges Should be whipping its Worker now (max overflow) but it doesn't have enough population for a 2-pop whip. So I made a sign for T126 to max-overflow with a 1-pop whip and queued up a Forge next. Remember, Forges not only multiply base hammers, but whip overflow. I expect we'll still be killing our slaves for a while, so getting those multipliers in place is important. But Judges should get decent base hammers eventually, so yeah.

So, there you go, Boss. A bunch of Shiny New Workers in the works. To sum up, if they are whipped when they are supposed to be, they will be done on the following turns:

Exodus: 125
Leviticus: 125
Numbers: 126
Joshua: 125
Judges: 127

So in four turns we will have five more workers, bringing our total force to 12 (for 7 cities). I hope that will be enough. I'll figure out where to build the Settler another day. At the pace this game is going, shouldn't be an issue.

Oh, and I think I gave Education to ShoottheMoon.

I didn't finish the turn. There are still a few things to do, so you should log in, as well.

I feel like I had something else to say, but I cannot remember it. Oh well.

Oh, yeah. What are we going to do with a Great Scientist if we're not going to be doing any teching? An Academy won't be very useful . . . but I hope we can tech again, soon. Leviticus will give as a GS in 3 turns, and Numbers should get us another in 15 (including the bump in GPP costs).

[Strike700]

Are you guys concerned for any of your PAT allies in the war thats going on?