[PB63 Mjmd] Drunken Sailor

[Mjmd]

T97

I lied inadvertently. I'm reporting this turn.


Mainly I'm hoping it organizes my thoughts. I THOUGHT**** Ginger was building Hanging Gardens. He chopped 3 forests into Neopolis last turn. I ASSUMED he was doing an inefficient HG build (IE didn't whip aqueduct).



As you can see I was going to contest! What the hell is Ginger putting at least 4 forests into? ToA? Great Wall would be done with 3 forests practically? Am I just not seeing the Aqueduct?

I was going all out on this build or had planned on it. Including working a mine instead of the banana this turn. Also, not working one of the cottages. I had planned on finishing 2 more mines next turn and putting the city to 20 base hammers /35 after. IE 4 turn build. I could resettle either island city at 6 turns and get the pop OR I could settle the filler mainland city at either 4 or 5 turns. Now it would allow me to whip a monument in that new city to get the fish online right away, so its not completely crazy to settle that city instead.

In other news Cairo sent me ANOTHER peace treaty. Ya Cairo..... not happening still. You had your chance.

Cornflakes evidently still considers me a threat. He annoying found and changed happy trade partners (to Cairo of course). I actually wold have been in a bad way for happy this turn if I hadn't resettled for the furs. Shopping around there are 0 trade partners now available.......... BTW Ginger gave Cornflakes a loan it looks like. Which I find hilarious after he tried to get me to stop trading with him...... Like he wasn't half as scary when Ginger made that demand, but now when he looks even scarier he gives him a loan?     People I swear Cornflakes is more dangerous than me by MULTITUDES!!! 

In the good I hope to have both currency and Maoi by T100.  

I think I'm still going for fast HG prob with settling mainland city.

[Mjmd]

Revenge vs smart play. I almost hate my brain for thinking.

Option 1
I can extort Cairo. I can offer a cease fire and offer my spare gold for his remaining silver and let him draw his own conclusions. I would request turn order stay the just for correctness sake for a few turns as I would fully intend to continue the war if he didn't except the trade deal. Obviously Cairo then has incentive to break his deal with Cornflakes via war and weakens Cornflakes!

Option 2
The other option is of course to wait until currency, pillage his nets, and then get a peace treaty for gold. This is always a fall back option

Option 3
Go with initial plan and never let him have a net........ This is the part of me that hates myself for thinking of the other two options.

I think I'm going with option 1. SLIGHTLY inefficient for trireme movement. I should have thought of last turn. I have 5.5 of my 11 cities at happy cap or beyond with HG incoming...... That's with Cha + monuments btw. I'm going to tell Cairo maintain turn order through T105? If I said two turns it would be obvious its contingent on the followup trade deal. Obviously I would be very fine taking 2nd half, but again its a weird its the right thing to do to keep 1st half as I may just continue the war in 2 turns.

Any quick lurker thoughts? I'm only going to stay up for another 30 minutes and I need to do this before I go to sleep.

[Amicalola]

I don't think you need to tell Cairo to maintain the turn split, but that's up to you (I don't think it's a problem either way).

[Mjmd]

T98



I was looking at the wrong city!!! I thought it would be the one with 5 forests.... Still unsure what he is chopping in the other. Probably ToA? 

Now my screenshot last turn doesn't show that far down sadly. I think*** I could whip HG next turn, but mind I wouldn't have 11th city down in time then.

I kind of wonder if Ginger noticed my attempt this turn. Ginger usually plays SUPER early in the turn, but this time did not finish. Anyways, I'm super curious as I don't think this city was whipped for the Aqueduct. I sadly stopped keeping track, but I doubt it. I'll check the progress on the forests, but I think I have this race??? (unless it was finished a long time ago and I just didn't notice which I could believe).

[Mjmd]

T99



I get 1 net next turn!



I have 3 more triremes incoming for the other front.

I don't understand Cairo. I really don't. We SHOULD* be natural allies and he should be more worried about the monster developing on his border. He has accomplished knocking me down. I think it was bloody generous of me to try to realign the situation to reasonable. 

In good news Jack actually has 3 gems!!!! He didn't have an extra 2 turns ago, but now he does. He's trading silver for one, so hopefully he wants my gold for the other! He is a natural ally although piloting a dangerous leader long.

Do Maoi show up like wonders if you haven't seen the city? If they do I'm first to Maoi, which is definitely a first for me.

[Amicalola]

Do Maoi show up like wonders if you haven't seen the city? If they do I'm first to Maoi, which is definitely a first for me.

I'm pretty sure you need to have seen the city for National Wonders to show up on the Wonder List.

[Mjmd]

T101



Long one, but it has "health" and "Roman times" so fits for me beating Ginger to HG!!!! Which is why this report isn't T100.



I've been wondering where in the world my Heroic Epic city is for a while. The only city that stood out was my capital, BUT I realized when I settled this city it actually will be a good production city if it steals some hills.

Lets do some good stuff bad stuff again since last time was T75
-Good: got MY wonder in HG!!!!
-Bad: I'm at least 2 cities down where I should have been..... By the way HG was delayed 2 turns for the resettle of Fish. Delayed / wasn't going to go for, but then decided it was my wonder after all.
-Bad: Since I'm down cities and have to resettle I can't push into SD area yet (damn stonehenge culture btw)
-Hopeful: he gets involved in a war with Jack soon and I can take the territory safely
-Meh: I diluted my GP pool in capital
-Bad: It doesn't matter BECAUSE MY RELIGION REFUSES TO NATURALLY SPREAD!!!   . Seriously this is the least zealous population I've ever had. I've gotten ZERO spreads so far.
-GREAT: I got the happy trade with Jack. WHICH IS HUGE, especially as I have forges. BTW I think this is the least happy resources on a map I've EVER seen. Go go Cha and early forges!!! I suspect I won't build a library for a long time as it just isn't worth a whip. Prob save them for org religion later. Whips go to forges, units, zigs, and markets where applicable.

Other stuff
- Cairo offered a peace treaty again this turn  
- I'm struggling to figure out where to produce the last replacement settler for the island. Dead Horse has excess food up the wazoo and is good production so will see if I want to slow build one there. I obviously could build a market instead though....... I think its going to end up being same # of turns as if I get from Sally Brown. Sally would love to whip something else..... but some city has to make sacrifices and long term Sally is sadly just a medium commerce city, so probably produce there. I could obviously abuse the capital and get the replacement settler sooner, but I really want to grow the capital and its cottages more.
- I am EXTREMELY uncertain of my next tech choice. I'm leaning calendar, but mainly for the +1 happy! I mean I'll probably slow build Mausoleum, but with no real hope. Ginger has a Great Engineer just hanging out.

Questions, comments, ect?

[El Grillo]

Congrats on landing HG! What would it take to get peace with Cairo?

[Mjmd]

Congrats on landing HG! What would it take to get peace with Cairo?

Thanks!

I mean I would be in a GREAT position if it wasn't for him and again it was a non nonsensical drag you down attack so I'm still a little pissed.

I mean I was willing to give peace for a happy trade, but he wanted to stick with Cornflakes instead........  (Have I mentioned I'm very happy I am that Jack traded me a gem?   ). I mean this option would have gotten Cairo off with no consequences for razing 3 cities and getting a worker, but 

I'm going to go raze his remaining nets. I've been checking his gpt, but I don't think he has currency yet and it isn't worth it yet / I doubt he would since he will want to make it to currency. I don't have a specific price in mind yet either.....

Oh and I'm never letting him settle a city for that fish by OldChariot (which will be resettled next). That is mine now.

[Tarkeel]

BTW I think this is the least happy resources on a map I've EVER seen.

How does that make you feel, and how has it altered the gameplay in your eyes?