NO PLAYERS- 53 reasons why i shouldnt make maps

[Cyneheard]

How long will it take for Cornflakes to figure out that TBS never adopted Slavery until now?

On this map, that seems incredible.

[NobleHelium]

While the map has no hills so no Slavery seems incredible, at the same time the cost of Anarchy is much higher when you start with several cities.

[Fintourist]

What does that make me, then? The Mother of Tyrants? 

The Mother of Tyrants, the Mother of Dragons.. not quite sure, but definitely something scary that keeps Hitru easily in check!

Cornflakes is about 70% to win this game at this point (if he can Lib Rifling like Commodore half-jokingly suspects, that becomes like 95%), I think. 15% Commodore, 10% Scooter, 5% TBS. Cairo has no chance and AT won't survive this 10t peace treaty.

Scooter's got a neighbor problem with Commodore (who might have a cultural victory plan available? Going to be tough with all the wonders going to Cornflakes).

I think this is a very reasonable "hot take", but I would put CF odds still much lower. I haven't followed the game close enough to say anything definiteve, but I also believe that Cornflakes is playing very well at the moment with his economic snowball. However, his starting point is still 25 % less land than the leader (based on the last demo screenshot) and he is "only" 3rd in power. Liberalism, Taj and other wonders they are all good, but he still needs to convert that play into more land... And I think that is more than trivial with competent neighbors everywhere.

Of course I might underestimate the level of self-destruction that should be expected from Scooter-Commodore..

[NobleHelium]

How long will it take for Cornflakes to figure out that TBS never adopted Slavery until now?

On this map, that seems incredible.

Yeah I was wrong about this.  You can see in TBS's earlier screenshots that he was in Slavery.  So he swapped out of Slavery for maintenance costs as Cornflakes guessed and the message about swapping out must have aged out of the log by the time Cornflakes checked.

[Gaspar]

Cornflakes is about 70% to win this game at this point (if he can Lib Rifling like Commodore half-jokingly suspects, that becomes like 95%), I think. 15% Commodore, 10% Scooter, 5% TBS. Cairo has no chance and AT won't survive this 10t peace treaty.

Scooter's got a neighbor problem with Commodore (who might have a cultural victory plan available? Going to be tough with all the wonders going to Cornflakes).

Hard disagree on this. At this stage of the game, I would always rather be the land leader rather than the tech leader and given there's minimal natural production on the map, build queues are the be all end all for production. Now maybe if Cornflakes were libbing Communism into Kremlin I'd agree that he can make his tech lead snowball hardest but Rifling isn't *that* scary.

I'd say scooter is a slight favorite - maybe 35% followed by Commodore and Cornflakes at 30% and TBS gets 5% because he's TBS. Commodore would be even with scooter but he's Commodore so he's sure to make bad reads and not make the most of the chance he has which involves gearing up and beating the crap out of Cairo.

[Cyneheard]

Cornflakes is about 70% to win this game at this point (if he can Lib Rifling like Commodore half-jokingly suspects, that becomes like 95%), I think. 15% Commodore, 10% Scooter, 5% TBS. Cairo has no chance and AT won't survive this 10t peace treaty.

Scooter's got a neighbor problem with Commodore (who might have a cultural victory plan available? Going to be tough with all the wonders going to Cornflakes).

Hard disagree on this.  At this stage of the game, I would always rather be the land leader rather than the tech leader and given there's minimal natural production on the map, build queues are the be all end all for production.  Now maybe if Cornflakes were libbing Communism into Kremlin I'd agree that he can make his tech lead snowball hardest but Rifling isn't *that* scary.

I'd say scooter is a slight favorite - maybe 35% followed by Commodore and Cornflakes at 30% and TBS gets 5% because he's TBS.  Commodore would be even with scooter but he's Commodore so he's sure to make bad reads and not make the most of the chance he has which involves gearing up and beating the crap out of Cairo.

It's going to come down to whether this invade-TBS-very-very-soon plan is successful. Cornflakes is turning as much food into production as is humanly possible in the next 5-10 turns. Part of why I was comfortable saying Cornflakes is in great shape is because he's planning out this era very carefully - leveraging the advantages he does have, while Scooter is freewheeling it - and Commodore is way more likely to cause Scooter problems than TBS is for Cornflakes, and that also limits Scooter's ability to interfere with Cornflakes. 

The freewheeling may help Scooter if he finds a good opportunity, but I'm counting on the person who's got a plan to take advantage of their spot.


However, the timing of it is going to be VERY interesting. If Cornflakes hits on T106 (as the Scooter/Commodore treaty expires), we'll see if that impacts how scooter and Commodore behave.

[Mjmd]

Glad the top 3 are all reporting pretty often.

[sunrise089]

I think Cornflakes’ biggest advantage versus Scooter’s recent war is he won’t have his enemy’s other neighbor be able to intervene nearly as impactfully. His biggest disadvantage will likely be that his OWN other neighbor is a major threat and so he may be forced to leave much of his army at home.

[vanrober]

I am thinking about the Cornflakes plan and, can he just go all in vs tbs without being scared of scooter? Isnt a threat for Scooter to let him just "conquer" TBS?

[superdeath]

Well... its TBS im sure as soon as that open borders gets cancelled he will magically have Modern Armor.

Also, Maybe cornflakes hasnt noticed that Scooter and Commodore have signed peace?