[PB79] Giraflorens & Magic Science -- "Fear+Curiosity Gazpacho"

[giraflorens]

T162 - T164

   
Astronomy is done and so Banking.  So I am making some Galleons and Banks: authentic Netherlands !!!
I don't see any big loses among Coldrain and Xist.  So they did not get into a great battle yet.  Xist opened borders with me and is doing some resources exchange.  And Miro is gaining a lot in technology.  I should go for him otherwise the game is his.
I put to research Horses and I will make the cheapest techs, that are from old times.  When I got Banks I will be able to go faster in research.

Below, the science screen.

   

[Magic Science]

If you really think that Miro is too strong and will win the game, then you could ask Xist and Coldrain to attack him together with you.

Offer:
"War with Miro" for "War with Miro"
And "amount of money" for "amount of money" to say when to attack.

Dogpiling the leader to give the other players a chance is a common strategy. Sometimes the strategy is successful.


Also, are there any islands to settle with Galleons?

[giraflorens]

If you really think that Miro is too strong and will win the game, then you could ask Xist and Coldrain to attack him together with you.

Offer:
"War with Miro" for "War with Miro"
And "amount of money" for "amount of money" to say when to attack.

Dogpiling the leader to give the other players a chance is a common strategy. Sometimes the strategy is successful.


Also, are there any islands to settle with Galleons?

Xist and Coldrain are in a war among them, so I don't think they wouldn't be interested in participating with me (at list at the moment).  I don't see any land left to settle more cities.  The map is full.

Magic, what do you think about Scooter proposal? It is in the main threat of this Pitboss.
I am away from home on a trip, so I don't have much chance to post comments. I will do it in a couple of days.

[Tarkeel]

Scooter's proposal basically comes down to two things that you need to decide:
1) Are you OK with a lurker giving you detailed criticism on where your game is right now?
2) Are you OK with another player getting the same level of criticism?

Without speaking for Scooter, he's not likely to give away direct spoiler information, but such feedback will be more detailed than what the general lurkers usually give.

[giraflorens]

Scooter's proposal basically comes down to two things that you need to decide:
1) Are you OK with a lurker giving you detailed criticism on where your game is right now?
2) Are you OK with another player getting the same level of criticism?

Without speaking for Scooter, he's not likely to give away direct spoiler information, but such feedback will be more detailed than what the general lurkers usually give.

Yes, I find it a great idea.  Only I don't want my dedlurker, MagicScience, to feel bad about someone else criticizing the game.
But for me is fantastic.  All opinions help me to learn.

[giraflorens]

T165 - T168

       
I was very busy this weekend and I losed a turn, cause yesterday I could not play my turn.  This week, everything will go smoother.
Bad luck about the GP!.  A great artist was born.  I expected a Scientist or a Prophet.  And this was the worst option.  I might keep it to research Nationalism (after music and Theology).
Besides that, seems that Coldrain is loosing the war, and Miró continuous his growth.  I can't see what's going on in Coldrain land, cause I don't have open borders.  I will ask him next turn.
I am making Theaters in all the border cities.  Which I have seen nobody does. (???)  Probably in this games is more important the soldiers war than the cultural war.
Also I have placed all the spying  points on Miro, he is very ahead of me and I can not see what is he researching.

Below the power graph and the West border

       

[Magic Science]

Scooter's proposal basically comes down to two things that you need to decide:
1) Are you OK with a lurker giving you detailed criticism on where your game is right now?
2) Are you OK with another player getting the same level of criticism?

Without speaking for Scooter, he's not likely to give away direct spoiler information, but such feedback will be more detailed than what the general lurkers usually give.

Yes, I find it a great idea.  Only I don't want my dedlurker, MagicScience, to feel bad about someone else criticizing the game.
But for me is fantastic.  All opinions help me to learn.

I think that Scooter's idea is great. . No problem.


About T165 - T168:
I am sorry to hear that you lost a turn, and I am sorry for not noticing it. I can always play a turn if you need me to, even if I have not posted in a little while. Just tell me.

The Great Artists can be useful in war (solider war or cultural war, either one). The Great Artist "cultural bomb" (Great Work) is hard to do well, but it can be powerful. See this CivFanatics thread for more.

Coldrain is researching Steel. Steel unlocks Cannons. Cannons are powerful and could defeat Xist. Keep an eye on that.
It is good to have research vision on players. That it a lot easier than my KTB spreadsheet. .
How much would it cost to get research vision on Miros? It might be worth it to spend 1 turn at 10% or 20% Espionage to get visibility on him.

Theaters can be strong. They are cheap for how much culture they produce. But will these Theaters get any more tiles on the border? And will they make anyone angry? A culture war can become a real war if the loser is angry enough.

[giraflorens]

T169 - T172

       
Coldrain and Xist war has ended.  Coldrain has lost some cities, but he started a new Golden Age now, and is using GP economy.  (See picture in Spoiler)
Xist ask me to go to a war with Miro and adopt Vassalage and Hereditary Rule.  I don't accept. I think is the only opportunity for him to win. Miro economy is going up very much, although I don't see many military units in his land.  His spying points are incredible he is going very much ahead of me and I can't caught up him although I put all the spy points on him.

Going for Divine Right for using the GArtist to get Nationalism and might be the Taj Majal.

           

[Magic Science]

If coldrain did not lose very much in the war, then maybe he can forgive xist and join a dogpile against Miro. Did coldrain lose any big cities?
coldrain will probably only use Caste System and Pacifism during the Golden Age for a burst of Great People.
Divine Right is expensive to research just to clear it out of the way for Nationalism. Would it be worth it to build the Spiral Minaret? Or could you save the Great Artist for later? I forget if any future technologies have higher priority than Divine Right for Great Artists.
Also, Taj Mahal is a popular wonder. Will another player get there first? Usually the leading players get the wonder, so it is risky for you to try.

[giraflorens]

T173 - T175

   
Mmmm, I though I would get Nationalism right away, and I got only half of the provettes for it.    I cancelled the Open Borders with Miró (he tried to make an resources exchange, which I rejected). That's the consequences of being the first.  And you can see a pile of frigates of Xist on Miro/mine border.  Miro is the first also in power graph, but I can't see any big pile of units. anywhere.  I keep making observatories and units in the cities with strong production.

Magic, the Spinaret is already done, and someone has already Nationalism, so I will be difficult to get it but I will try.