[SPOILERS]The 3 Muscateers playing Ragnar of Rome!

[slowcheetah]

Are you sending the warrior to go and scout near the pigs next then? We don't want to do another 29g.

1SE of the warrior would make a reasonable third city, it can share the capitals corn. It probably doesn't have enough production for a second city unless copper or horses appear there though.

[Catwalk]

Yeah, warrior going SW - S - SE - SE next. Not going to miss out on any plains or mountain fish! Agree that BW/worker is likely better, much easier to get the expansion up and running. We will be producing settlers and workers for a little bit in the capital anyway, less need for early pottery. I want to revolt right after settling second city, giving us culture on the pigs for faster pasturing.

[spacetyrantxenu]

I'm not sure of the timing to finish BW or the settler but it would be great if we could revolt while the settler is on its way to the site, so only one city loses a turn of production in revolt.

[Catwalk]

I'm frightfully lazy with updates, but save is going around smoothly. Found crabs over at the western waters, which is not a lake btw.

Reason I want to revolt after planting is that the city is not that productive until we have the pigs pastured, and the plant gives us culture for it. The city is barely making any profits during the first turn, and anarchy also eliminates upkeep. Also gives me one more turn to get the road finished.

[slowcheetah]

Its another food/hammers vs commerce trade off then. Does saving a turn of trade route commerce shave a turn off of a tech time? If it doesn't then I'd say that the loss of the food almost certainly isn't worth it.

[spacetyrantxenu]

I just opened the save to have a look, I don't remember if it was discussed in the setup thread but we have a toroidal map wrap. Coupled with prince difficulty we can expect city maintenance to be a bit of a pain if we try to expand too quickly, kind of like in 29g. Except that there you guys were a bit slow expanding! :neenernee

So borders popped this turn, bringing the river corn into our BFC. Just checked, we're not EXP (I have to check because the last three games I've played I've been Mao) so we get no further benefit from working the plains forest. So we should switch to the river corn to get three foodhammers into the worker plus an additional commerce.

If I'm doing my math correctly we'll have +7 food at this capital. My solution is to put cottages on everything except for the plains hill, which gets a mine, and grow this into a commerce beast capital. If we our exploration shows it to be a viable strategy we can overlap our next few cities around the capital to start growing cottages for it, whenever Pottery is scheduled. We are FIN after all.

I see floodplains to the NW of our warrior (who needs a name). Fog reading says the river through those FP is short but that there is more land that direction so this is likely not a peninsula. I see some forests and a peak up there, but not necessarily attached to our part of this land. My guess is a stem headed off to connect to a neighbor's area but that is complete speculation. I wonder who our neighbor will be, and how they will like our praetorians?

Back to the map, the tile 4S of the capital (what is that naming scheme?) is a lake tile, as the tiles surrounding it are on fresh water and I don't see a river. The body of water north of our city is quite large and seems to go on for quite a way to the NE. The land looks fairly solid to the east with quite a bit of trees and scattered peaks out that way. There is a lot of jungle to the south and then a bit of a clear area to the SE of our visible map. Not sure if that is a body of water or just clear tiles. Hopefully not a big patch of desert, but it seems flat.

Enough on the map, looking through our panels, you had talked about our tech path before and I think we agree here...We're doing Agriculture first so the worker can farm our corn and we already have Mining so when he's done with the corn he can mine the PH if you want. We may need to farm the corn, then go 3 to mine the river grass hill (disregard previous suggestion of cottaging it? ) to save a movement, then go mine the PH, but that wastes a worker turn along the way. Maybe sink a turn of a farm into a grass tile, not that we want to farm it...they're all going to be FIN cottages, right? Anyway, Agriculture --> BW --> Pottery --> cottage spam. I don't see any happy resources yet but with our cap being 5 at present we can work our three special resources and then two river cottages at the happy cap this early. Plus if we do pack in our next cities around the capital to help grow cottages that will be handy.

Photos:

[Catwalk]

Another turn played, bit more tundra explored. NW and SW look unproductive, I'm guessing they're PBEM29 style connecting areas.

Excellent job on the analysis xenu I'll read it and very possibly agree with some of it later today

[Catwalk]

t5 report

And the laziness continues... Another turn played and sent on, the game is running smoothly. Bit of grassland uncovered, can glimpse at some more water down to the south. Finished Agriculture at the end of turn, starting up AH next. Promise to do a screenshot next turn, warrior will move on the pig hill and give us a lot more knowledge of our surroundings.

[spacetyrantxenu]

And the laziness continues... Another turn played and sent on, the game is running smoothly. Bit of grassland uncovered, can glimpse at some more water down to the south. Finished Agriculture at the end of turn, starting up AH next. Promise to do a screenshot next turn, warrior will move on the pig hill and give us a lot more knowledge of our surroundings.

Was I invited here to carry your water? I moved the warrior where I assumed you did, since you said you'd be on the pig next turn, so we're not getting free map info.

Queued AH so it would be present in the photo at EoT:



Are we second in the turn order? That's what I'm reading from being listed in 5th place where we're tied.

[Catwalk]

t5 report

Was I invited here to carry your water?

But you do it so well! I played my turn and PROMISE PROMISE PROMISE to post screenshots tonight. The pig hill reveals more grassland and ocean to the SW, no new resources. Got another hill to the SW that will reveal lots more next turn.