WW20: Lair of the Lurkers

[NobleHelium]

I guess I took it to far. I can sit from future WW games , if that would make it better for you guys. I just tried to be exactly like I was last game which is what a lot of you try to do when you play scum.

And that's how scum should be played, yes.

[Bigger]

i don't want you to quit playing, just grow thicker skin and don't pout so much. I would say the same thing (moreso, really) if you had been a villager this game.

[Ryan]

I even remember someone saying that I'm playing abit calmer on the first day and that must be suspicious. All that I really did was make you guys waste a day on lewwyn by scum hunting him the way I would have done if I was town. Same exact thing, with the pin case and Molach.

Edit : @Lewwyn, if I went into angry mode with you. You provoked me with the insulting. I am not just going to agree with you if its against how I think the game would be won. @Bigger I was apologizing from the QT because I didn't like how far I took it with you. @Q you were making an easy win harder to get I guess.

[BRickAstley]

I also understand all the emotion and frustration cause this is an intensive game and I'm myself a really emotional person. I'm just getting the feeling again that it's starting to cut too deep with people in general and if that continues to happen, our group playing this game is going to blow up and result in death of games and the sense of community across the site is going to deteriorate.

I'm not sure how to change that, since you can't seperate this game completely from emotion and personal interest, and you don't want to. I think that's why I enjoyed the joking with Ichabod and making silly/fun posts, it let me enjoy myself and let off steam and not get super worked up.

[pindicator]

Ugh, I know I got bad. I deleted a lot of stuff i wanted to write, but i got a lot more invested than i thought i would and that really stressed me out. I think I need to sit the next one out, maybe more

Sorry if i was getting too personal in anything i did.

Lewwyn, I really didn't mean to attack your sleep schedule. Your response surprised me so much it made me think you were scum and over-reacting to push me. I mean, not enough to really believe the thought, but it just surprised me so much.

[Meiz]

First of all, i am the world's worst town tracker. I only managed to find the town seer
I disagree with Ichabod that the 10 post PR was awful design. I was able to get my thoughts out, but i did struggle with it because i felt like i had to get everything possible into those posts. For defending it is awful so maybe that's reason enough to hate it. Still, i felt like part of my troubles this game were changing my posting style to fit the restriction. Or that's my excuse for such a bad game

With that said... Apart from the PR, why was i suspicious Ichabod? I feel like you got tunnel vision on the PR, but maybe i just never understood your case? Meiz i disregarded b/c i thought he was the SK, but the question goes for him also.

I'm sure the PR played huge part in not getting the town feel from your posts. But I was totally fooled by Q and Ryan, so that feel is not worth anything

I did think the PR was too harsh for villager. I didn't really think you were lying about it.

Then wolves trying to night kill me, thought maybe I had at least some target right (you).

I mistakenly thought your Tasunke vote as wolf bussing, since it seemed to come out of nowhere. I also found it really strange how Tas underlined not understanding your PR. Tasunke was so clumsy with his Gaspar distancing, I figured he was as clumsy with you.

I found it really strange how you had Azza listed as town for most of the game. Thought you needed excuse not to vote him end game. I didn't suspect Bigger at any point, so your attack on him felt odd. Your list of town reads + rest had Rowain, Q and Lewwyn at the bottom, and I thought all of them seemed very town. So I was thinking: Good veteran player, but seems to pick his targets too wrong = must be scum.

Having so big town lean from Ryan, I couldn't believe that wolves would have no method of tracking villager PR's. So the only option left was you. I was so concentrated on you being scum, I basically stopped looking elsewhere and never suspected Q or Ryan.

Never considered Azza's bomb was supposed to take out SK (didn't think Serdoa looked SK at all). So like Lewwyn, thought it was to save you.

Sorry Pind..

[Meiz]

Impressed by Rowain's reads from the lurker thread!

And for other things, it's natural to get invested and heated during the game, but starting to call people with names, calling them dicks or idiots is way over the line. Other than that, I loved the mood of the game. Ichabod was so annoyingly funny BRick's song about novice, Gazglum's log books and insults

[Rowain]

Impressed by Rowain's reads from the lurker thread!

It would be impressive if I had realised Tasunkes role while i was alive. Only after novice posted the role again in the Lurkerthread did I start to think about the implications which ended with my list. And once you have such a list you see the vote-move from pindi to Molach different.
Do note I would still have believed that only 1 of them is scum as I was convinced that 5 scum are too much.

Reading the scum-thread also makes me realise how much scum profited by getting too much info from their first scans. Ryan was sure that Molach is the SK because he knew all Powers from Meiz and Pindi.

About the powers: That the SK only had a 1-shot kill-immunity while the scum had an completly untargettable player (as long as he doesn't do the kill) is heavy.

In the end we made too many errors (including using anti-town-abilities and messing with village-powerroles) and scum played very well. Especially ryan.

[Rowain]

It would be impressive if I had realised Tasunkes role while i was alive.

To elaborate a bit more. The right time to realise this would have been D3 after BRicks and Matts claim.

Speaking of D3. I still think we deserved to lose for the mass-sitin on Mattimeo many hours before the lynch. That he got lynched is ok but this sitting on him without looking elsewhere was bad.

[Serdoa]

Well, first: Great play scum, especially Q and Ryan. You've done a good job here

That said, guys, I don't want to discuss what happened in this game in detail, but I will say one thing:I agree with Lewwyn and Bigger and I will NOT take anything that is said within the game for the truth anymore. I really felt bad - and even thought about leaving this community as a whole after I read the lurker-thread - several times in the game that I got others so aggravated that they started to insult me and got ingame and in the lurker-thread scolded for doing that to others too. To find out that it was just acted to put me as person in a bad light is hurtful. Thats all I have to say to that episode.