[PB70] Lurking under the tables

[Magic Science]

And I agree with you about BING's trade routes. WAIT what about Mjmd's 5 island cities? I think that does make +12.

Mjmd's island cities won't give any foreign trade to himself; but they will make sure that the baseline traderoute in all his cities is 2C. Hence he needs a foreign island for 3C, but the game is most likely presenting him with several foreign 2C routes which are effectively the same as an internal route.

Mjmd's island cities each have 2 intercontinental trade routes, worth +3, with BING's mainland.

[Tarkeel]

And I agree with you about BING's trade routes. WAIT what about Mjmd's 5 island cities? I think that does make +12.

Mjmd's island cities won't give any foreign trade to himself; but they will make sure that the baseline traderoute in all his cities is 2C. Hence he needs a foreign island for 3C, but the game is most likely presenting him with several foreign 2C routes which are effectively the same as an internal route.

Mjmd's island cities each have 2 intercontinental trade routes, worth +3, with BING's mainland.

Still not a benefit to Mjmd. Most likely not a benefit for Bing either, as his internal intercontinental routes are also 3C due to PRO, but we don't know how many islands he has yet. He's talking on discord about clearing the gems, so I assume he's got at least one island city.

[civac2]

Bing has two islands. So 12gpt for Mjmd seems exactly correct.

[El Grillo]

With land this good and everyone having this many cities, giving interest-free loans of several hundred gold comes pretty close to tech trading in terms of keeping players close enough to tech parity. No one wants anyone else to have a free lunch, and I don't expect the first attempted partitioning to go much more smoothly than the attempted anti-Mjmd embargo

[Tarkeel]

Yeah. City costs are also high, which is I believe is a feature of a quadratic toroid.

[civac2]

Toroid maps do not have higher costs in CTH.

[Tarkeel]

As I understand it, the maintenance cost is based on what the highest theoretical distance on the map would be. In base BTS that would be half the distance of the axis on a non-wrapping map, and half the distance of the lowest dimension on a wrapping map. The change in CtH to eliminate higher maintenace on toroid made this count the highest dimension on the map. That puts square maps at no difference at all. The maintenance would be equally high if it didn't wrap, but you're not likely to play on such small dimensions without wrapping.

[Tarkeel]

Mjmd and Scooter is trying to sort out a naval treaty limiting the number of ships in the ocean between them. I'm waiting for the realization that the there is only one moebius sea, so where would the limit be?

[aetryn]

Mjmd and Scooter is trying to sort out a naval treaty limiting the number of ships in the ocean between them. I'm waiting for the realization that the there is only one moebius sea, so where would the limit be?

Diagonal bands equivalent to where their land empire ends?

[Qgqqqqq]

Shoot, MJMD seems to be in an amazing position. I wonder if diplo can pull him down or if we'll have the same eventual superpower into GG path.

Charriu's behaviour doesn't fill me with confidence on them being able to pull him back.