[LURKERS] Sweet 16: Civ Party Fun Time and Philosophical Debate

[Bobchillingworth]

Does anyone else think I'd try to rig a snake pick just because someone has an irrational hatred of me?

No.


I haven't been keeping up with Pitboss games here, but this is clearly an absolute train wreck. Why anyone thinks a game combining explosive egos, hardcore veteran players, complete novices, way too many teams and one of the least reliable players in RB history is a workable proposition is beyond me. I think you just got caught in some of the shrapnel. And Noble is kind of an ass.

[spacetyrantxenu]

Hey Bob, at least take it easy on Kuro, his pyft rating vs been just fine in pb11.

But yeah, the player base took kind of a serious turn late in the sign-up process, I can't imagine some of the earlier signups were thrilled by it.

[Bobchillingworth]

Ah, mea culpa. Like I said, I haven't really been following the latest games, so I only know of Kuro from a couple years ago.


This game would be better off if it split the vets from the people who don't have a dozen matches under their belts. There's already plenty of players involved, losing three or four or whatever wouldn't hurt. I'm not sure which will kill the new people's enthusiasm first- watching Seven (and Krill!) stomp up & down their faces, or playing in a game filled with old-timers who apparently hate each other on a personal level.

[Lewwyn]

I love everyone.

[Lewwyn]

BTW, Noble is just being Noble. And Seven is just being Seven. They don't really hate (well hating from Noble is). They are just outspoken and have rigid personalities. Noble is more anal, and Seven is more righteous. When something feels off to either of them they both become abrasive. Noble intentionally so, Seven unintentionally (mostly). Jowy just reacts negatively to things and exacerbates issues.

I haven't seen anything in the settings thread that I think is out of character or particularly malicious given the people involved. In fact, I would say its about normal.

I'm not saying that words and attacks don't hurt, and I'm not absolving anyone of their actions. I would also like it if there was no drama. I'm simply saying that it happens and its understandable.

As for the game's roster... Yeah Seven's likely going to stomp, and new players may have a rough go, but I think most of them know what they're getting into. As lurkers we can say it going to be train wreck, but until the game is played we have no idea what is going to happen. We're just naturally pessimistic. PB6 started out badly with everyone predicting flames, but in the end it was actually highly competitive on multiple fronts and a game worth playing.

Let's reserve a bit of judgment until we actually see what happens.


It's good to see you Bob.

[Qgqqqqq]

I don't know what NobleHelium's issue is, but it's usually not a good idea to rush out a pick order. Once somebody's posted a pick order, it's impossible to have an unbiased discussion about any remaining game settings. So it's better to wait and make triple sure that all possible settings have been discussed and voted on. With the disorganized setup thread it shouldn't have come as a surprise that people still had settings to discuss (such as which civs and leaders were banned).

So I don't suspect any ill intent at all on your part, but I can see how your actions could have annoyed the players. (And apparently some players are more easily annoyed than others.)

Good point, I hadn't thought of that, I just saw the request and jumped to it.

On top, if you were going to rig it, you'd have put Noble/Gaspar somewhere even more awkward, like 9th or 10th.

This - would seem more natural too.
Although he likely thinks I'm too inept to think of that :rollseye:

[Old Harry]

Thanks for the analysis lewwyn, I just thought krill had hacked seven's account. Haven't seen him act like such a dick before.

Just ignore noble Q. And brilliant post serdoa!

How about starting seven and noble on a small isolated island while the rest get a big continent to play nicely on? It'd fix the balance issues and we could call the island naughty step...

I'm never going to get asked to make a map.

[Serdoa]

For those interested, that was the first rough idea for my map:




As clarification: The arrows meant to indicate which second island the outer players would be set up to get, mainly via making it visible from the start and starting them more towards that side of their island.

9,10,11,12 would have more land holdings (easier to defend) but also direct neighbours (harder to defend) making it probably about equal between them and 4-8. The real issue is 1,2 and 3. 3 has too many neighbours and if 1 or 2 can take out the other they have the biggest landmass that will be easiest to defend. I was thinking if I could do something with the wrap to prevent that but it doesn't seem so. Maybe I can though.

Either way, if a map is not absolutely symmetrical it is nearly impossible to balance it fairly between all players. Someone will always have a better position in certain situations.

[slowcheetah]

I think it looks a cool design Serdoa.

[BRickAstley]

cylindrical or toroidal?