PB37 Map and Lurker Thread [SPOILERS]

[Commodore]

Missed that odd lake, wet rice is fine.

In this case just right-click the south-of-settler lake tile and you'll remove the extraneous river, no fuss, no muss.

[Mardoc]

Alright, here's the part they will see and hence definitely can't be changing again:

And here's the part I can change maybe if I make sure to keep the 'no profitable moves' rule in place. But probably won't change, just add to.

[Aurorarcher]

The amount of cry for "ugly" rivers is amusing.

[spacetyrantxenu]

The amount of cry for "ugly" rivers is amusing.

If not for our taste in aesthetics, what separates us from the other animals? To decry crudely drawn rivers makes us human!

[Commodore]

The amount of cry for "ugly" rivers is amusing.

If not for our taste in aesthetics, what separates us from the other animals? To decry crudely drawn rivers makes us human!

That's a surprisingly Chestertonian argument for a dread tyrant from space.

Is it just me, or do these newbies seem more on the ball than the usual crop?

[The Black Sword]

Is it just me, or do these newbies seem more on the ball than the usual crop?

  This game is already looking great.

[Mardoc]

The amount of cry for "ugly" rivers is amusing.

If not for our taste in aesthetics, what separates us from the other animals? To decry crudely drawn rivers makes us human!

That's a surprisingly Chestertonian argument for a dread tyrant from space.

Whereas the Bene Gesserit would argue that humanity can only be revealed by observing mapmakers' response to players' comments.

Is it just me, or do these newbies seem more on the ball than the usual crop?

They certainly remind me more of Dtay and The Black Sword than NorthStar.  That said, pretty much anyone still playing Civ4 at this point has to be somewhat experienced, and they all claim to be long-time lurkers, so maybe it's just our expectations that need to be shifting.

Moving to a location that requires just 1 food tech that had 2 food res would be significantly faster even without the plains hill because it would enable an earlier BW and potentially earlier Pottery.

Assumes facts not in evidence.  I can't find any sites at all I've made that have two foods with the same tech requirement, actually, except maybe the sheep-pigs both second ring three turns of movement away.

I think that the better choice is moving the scout 99 and the settler either 31 or 32. The start is really low food without the seafood, but there are no resources with which to actually use the seafood so I think that's a trap.

And certainly this choice won't gain him anything except jungled banana.  Would also cost him the oasis and make his strategics harder to grab and cost time.  I really hope he changes his mind and decides to believe the lurkers gave him what he asked for.  I mean, I could have made a mistake on this, but I'm certainly not the only person who looked.

I don't think the map is sparse so far, but it's definitely not as lush as Krill seems to be expecting.  And lushness level was definitely *not* something he specified in his map request.

[Commodore]

I think you're actually seeing retroactive justification for the real reason Krill wants to wander: Ennui.

[spacetyrantxenu]

The amount of cry for "ugly" rivers is amusing.

If not for our taste in aesthetics, what separates us from the other animals? To decry crudely drawn rivers makes us human!

That's a surprisingly Chestertonian argument for a dread tyrant from space.

YOU FOOL! Your comment merely proves I have defeated your Turing test! Not evene those Bene Gesserit witches will be able to stop me now!  The spice (er, thetans!) is as good as mine!

[Ichabod]

I think it's pretty reasonable to expect that nowadays newbies will do well in early game micro/planning. It's usually in the mid-game that the sharckotis start eating the small fish. Early game openings is the easiest part of the game to get right, I think (I'm not talking about novice/Seven levels of right here, but respectably enough levels), even more so when this version of RBMod nerfs the usual go-to mid-game strategies.

About that, I don't see any veteran player with the killing instinct of a favorite here. Dtay and Krill seem a bit too distant to play that role (on that subject, I believe more in Dtay's distance than Krill's; i.e. I think Krill has more chance of ending up highly engaged if the game swings his way). Gavagai will certainly eat a newbie, not sure if he'll win the game. With all that said, my money would be on Joey, with perhaps a small bet on a dedicated newbie winning.

Not that I know anything about betting...