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[SPOILERS] Lurkers Rooting for More Destruction

Superdeath is having a pretty good game here, but I do want to highlight a persistent issue he has in his games to hopefully help him when he sees this post-game.






The demo screen and numbers on the periphery tell me a lot. There's two things that jump out:


* Superdeath has 16 cities which is tied for the most and 2-4 cities ahead of 3 players. He also has the largest land area, so he's claimed the most land by kind of a wide margin. This is all great.


* Despite this, he is 4th in food. Why? His cities are all way too small. He's dead last in population. Demo population is a deceiving stat in that it's disproporationately made of very large cities, but the truth is he doesn't have any very large cities!


Then you look around the edges of the screenshot, and you can see a lot of things.


* Cinnamon Roll (right of the demo screen) is size 1. This is a city 7 tiles away from his capital on T137. I am not sure exactly when it was settled, but looking at screenshots it seems like around 20 turns ago? Not really ideal. On T125 (12T prior) it was nearly size 2 and had 2 good tile improvements completed and a 3rd in progress. It currently appears to have 5 tile improvements, but it's size 1, so this is all wasted. Work your good tiles! Also, why is it building a Lighthouse? This city has 2 water tiles, neither of which have seafood. It might take that Oasis eventually, but it seems like it would be better off building cultural buildings to do that first. As is I'm fully expecting him to whip this Lighthouse as soon as it's in range and continue being 6+ sizes away from even working any water tiles. (Note: it's fairly unlikely to ever control that tile as it's first-ring for Magic, so I probably wouldn't even worry about culture.)


* Wendys is 3 tiles from the capital, and it's stuck at size 3. This city appears to be around 70 turns old and is on fertile food-heavy land with green tiles around it including what appears to be an unworked grassland village. Some of this is admittedly in service to Burger King taking the lake foods in order to run specialists, but still, there's no reason for a 70 year old city on great land to be size 3.


* You can also see his capital is still size 9. That appears to be tied for his largest city. Dreylin has 4 cities larger than that. That capital is a very good cottage cheese capital, but he just can't work that many of them at that size. This map is pretty free with luxuries, so I can't imagine it's a happy issue. Or maybe it is from over-whipping? Not sure.


* Just in this tiny sliver of a screenshot, I count 9 unworked tile improvements. Some of them great tiles - the aforementioned village, a gold mine, some riverside mines, a mined water tile, etc. If this is happening to you a lot, you are probably whipping too much.


* I can also see his Approval Rate is on the low side despite the low population. I think this is probably lots of whip anger everywhere artificially lowering his happy cap, but I'm not sure.


Hopefully this is helpful feedback post-game - I wasn't sure how to put this in his thread now in a way that wasn't too much lurker involvement.
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Excellent analysis especially without actually logging in.

Some of his small pop size may be from whipping knights, but it sounds like he may not even use.
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(October 17th, 2024, 13:19)Mjmd Wrote: Excellent analysis especially without actually logging in.


You know, you've given me an idea with the "logging in" remark. I wonder if there's value to occasionally doing reviews via logging in for players in green games. Generally people just ded-lurk, but then you're constrained to whatever gets reported. We could probably get occasional volunteers for players to log into civs in green games and just look through cities and see how things are being managed and write it up. Just basic fundamentals like city/worker/build management. I'd do this occasionally.
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(October 17th, 2024, 22:06)scooter Wrote:
(October 17th, 2024, 13:19)Mjmd Wrote: Excellent analysis especially without actually logging in.


You know, you've given me an idea with the "logging in" remark. I wonder if there's value to occasionally doing reviews via logging in for players in green games. Generally people just ded-lurk, but then you're constrained to whatever gets reported. We could probably get occasional volunteers for players to log into civs in green games and just look through cities and see how things are being managed and write it up. Just basic fundamentals like city/worker/build management. I'd do this occasionally.

YES. I would also do this for greens game if I wasn't ded lurking. My main concern is some people don't like being criticized even when they are new at something.
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(October 17th, 2024, 22:06)scooter Wrote:
(October 17th, 2024, 13:19)Mjmd Wrote: Excellent analysis especially without actually logging in.


You know, you've given me an idea with the "logging in" remark. I wonder if there's value to occasionally doing reviews via logging in for players in green games. Generally people just ded-lurk, but then you're constrained to whatever gets reported. We could probably get occasional volunteers for players to log into civs in green games and just look through cities and see how things are being managed and write it up. Just basic fundamentals like city/worker/build management. I'd do this occasionally.

I think that's an excellent idea, as long as the person is explicitly comfortable with it.
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(November 4th, 2024, 01:37)superdeath Wrote: Gavagai finally moved his stack out of immediate 2t threaten range, and i did the same. Although, i asked him to change targets from Dreylin to Magic. Dreylin is still dragging in tech, despite having a (multiple) religion and mids'. Only one keeping up with me in tech pace, is Magic. He also happens to have the worlds smallest military. Ive sent him a message that more or less states im going to declare war on you. I only want this city, and then we can peace. If he doesnt take it, or fights harder than need be (providing we all go in, no one backs out/gavagai turns around) then ill simply push and raze his GLH/Collossus capital city.

One for the archives of “diplo that I can’t imagine being understood by the recipient.”

And for after the game, Superdeath! Don’t report on setting up dogpiles you plan on instantly backing out of! That’s the kind of reporting that gives you a bad rep! Only report the stuff that makes you look good. wink.

(SD released me from dedlurkerdom during the reporting hiatus so I’m trying to catch up.)
There is no way to peace. Peace is the way.
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While this map is really hard for me to wrap my mind around as a lurker (I kind of want to just ask someone if I can log in to look around), there is no doubt it has produced quite a dynamic game.
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Yeah land-heavy Toroidal maps can be challenging to lurk, and it's compounded by the very hit-and-miss reporting. Dreylin is by far the best reporter here, and even his reports can be tough to follow sometimes due to all the cropping.
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Following this game feels like this scene. I'm just not sure who is who yet.
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Thanks for sharing that, it really illuminated the ingame situation for me smile

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