Team Bring It!™ Planning Thread

[Kuro]

Also, I just wanna say I love Oledavy's team's name.

[Bobchillingworth]

Well I am but a humble lurker blah blah blah, so please take my comments as the gentle suggestions that they are, but I have a few criticisms of your plan:



First, why Arabia instead of India? I am not seeing much of a rationale here for how you are going to make a go of a priest economy, which is the only real reason to select Arabia. Forget the extra flanking on the CA. Is an extra 15% chance of your knight equivalent withdrawing (so that it can immediately die on the counter attack) better than the bonuses conferred by the Fast Worker? I assure you that it is most certainly not. Lacking horses shouldn't be an issue, either. If you don't want an "economy" civ, take Spain instead, who will contribute more to your mounted forces and also can build kickass siege that never go out of style (well, not until you obsolete the Citadels anyway).


Second, about protective France. I agree that France will work well with your mounted strategy. These games have a very heavy emphasis on mobility, and musketeers fulfill a unique and very important function. But protective makes no goddamn sense at all with France. Protective is okay in very specific circumstances. Protective Spain is good for instance, because you want to build the UB all over the place. But you do *not* want to be sticking city defense promotions on a UU meant for *mobility*. City defense is going to be utterly wasted on a unit meant to cover mounted stacks in the field. Musketeer mobility is wasted when you fortify them in cities to get the most out of Protective. It's just a bad combo. The only thing it's good for is having a mobile defense force, and that's not a strategy you base a game or civ around. Aggressive is necessary, but don't pair it with protective. Go for Industrious or Financial or something that actually has a point instead. Even philo would make more sense, heck that even gets some bonus from the UB.


Third, minor point but Guerrilla II works as well with a regular musket as it does a musketeer.

[Kuro]

Oh, I thought a Guerilla II Musketeer would get more moves than a normal Musket.

[Bobchillingworth]

And one final argument about why protective generally isn't good, because I can:



You argue that Spulla is "afraid" to attack Protective units. They are not. What they are is cautious and perhaps mildly annoyed by them. Adlain still got stomped. If he had used his units more wisely he might have made Spulla bleed a bit more, but he still would have died. This is the folly of selecting Protective. By way of analogy, consider the example of an insect buzzing around Spulla's kitchen, which they wish to kill. A regular civ might be a fly. A protective one could be better described as a hornet. There is a chance that Spulla might get stung when taking on the hornet, but either way both insects are going to get smashed. Or to put it simply: Protective cannot win you the game, especially in a game with no diplomacy. It can at best delay the inevitable or force someone to build more siege or sacrifice a few hundred more hammers to kill you. But you'll die regardless. Spulla will not win this game by space- they are not going to say "oh well these cities are too hard to raze, let's just leave Team Rejects alone for forever". And considering that they can hit your one protective civ with the force of three armies, playing defense makes even less sense than normal.


Whew.

[Kuro]

Like I said, I am perfectly fine with Ragnar, so...

[Jkaen]

So our choices are:

Gandhi of India
Cyrus of Mongolia
Ragnar of France

?

[pindicator]

So our choices are:

Gandhi of India
Cyrus of Mongolia
Ragnar of France

?

Or

Gandhi (Phi/Spi) of France
Cyrus (Cha/Imp) of Mongolia
Pacal (Fin/Exp) of India

Or

Gandhi (Phi/Spi) of Spain
Cyrus (Cha/Imp) of Mongolia
Ragnar (Fin/Agg) of France

Or more but I'm tired

[Twinkletoes89]

I think that if you aren't using India elsewhere, let Gandhi have it.

Gandhi of India
Cyrus of Mongolia

I reckon that if France is the consensus for the third, we have 2 choices:

Stalin of France

or

Ragnar of France

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Ragnar is the 'safer' option, which has more of a peacetime benefit but is not as helpful when it comes to warfare.

Stalin is the more military based one, with the added speed of getting Forges up as well as being able to build Heroic Epic quicker (passed one promoted unit from Mongolia if needed) or any other wonders we may decide to go for.

On the whole, I think Ragnar should be our choice. Ignoring financial completely is too big a risk and Industrious would be more useful for an early rush, but from then on the usefulness begins to diminish quickly.

Therefore I say our locked in 3 should be:

Gandhi of India
Ragnar of France
Cyrus of Mongolia

[Jkaen]

Ok, I think we finally have our 3

[Kuro]

I agree with these choices.

I take Ragnar, Twinkles takes Gandhi and Jkaen takes Cyrus?