EitB PBEM XXXIX Setup and Tech Thread

[Kragroth]

Bringing that point up was very appropriate to bring up here Q. If Jonas was not a barbarian I would vote for his ban.

Since it's still turn 0 we should reimplement the turn order correctly unless north's play window is more flexible than when he lets on.

I will definitely not be submitting my turns at 5 pm eastern regularly.

[Dreylin]

Bringing that point up was very appropriate to bring up here Q. If Jonas was not a barbarian I would vote for his ban.

Since it's still turn 0 we should reimplement the turn order correctly unless north's play window is more flexible than when he lets on.

I will definitely not be submitting my turns at 5 pm eastern regularly.

His play window extends to 8pm, so the question really is whether you'll be submitting them regularly before 7pm?

edit: actually 8pm Eastern, since Northstar's window is 5-8pm Central.

[Old Harry]

Bringing that point up was very appropriate to bring up here Q. If Jonas was not a barbarian I would vote for his ban.

It really wasn't, but everyone makes honest mistakes. Lurker threads are where you ask those sort of questions on this site. You'll find that the lurkers will make faster, more discrete and just generally better decisions than trying to hash things out in a public thread will.

Since it's still turn 0 we should reimplement the turn order correctly

You can't re-roll a turn order just because you aren't happy at being fourth.

[Qgqqqqq]

Bringing that point up was very appropriate to bring up here Q. If Jonas was not a barbarian I would vote for his ban.

You know exactly what I mean, Krag. I even explained it in-depth. So don't try and finangle it.

Edit: Harry put it better.

[Dreylin]

Since it's still turn 0 we should reimplement the turn order correctly

You can't re-roll a turn order just because you aren't happy at being fourth.

To be fair this is not a request for a re-roll, but to switch Krag & North in the play order because of the slightly shifted relative play windows.

[Kragroth]

Since it's still turn 0 we should reimplement the turn order correctly

You can't re-roll a turn order just because you aren't happy at being fourth.

To be fair this is not a request for a re-roll, but to switch Krag & North in the play order because of the slightly shifted relative play windows.

If north star is 5-8 central that's the same as 6-9 eastern. If true we're ok

[Dreylin]

If north star is 5-8 central that's the same as 6-9 eastern. If true we're ok

I'm ready to take a turn now, actually. It turns out my play time is going to be earlier in the evenings than I originally thought (closer to 1700-2000 Central Time).

[Northstar1989]

I'd really rather we didn't have to start again though...and switching player order is non-trivial for a mapmaker (changing vision, changing units, making sure not to defeat a player in the process, etc.) so I'd rather we just rolled with it.

I'll roll with it. I didn't realize how difficult it would be to switch around the turn order.

@Northstar, a dice roll to determine who goes first simultaneously determines who goes last (it wasn't between Dreylin and me, he did a RNG between 1 and 4).

That doesn't actually make sense, though. There are 24 possible permutations in which you can order 4 players' turn order. So a single RNG roll between 1 and 4 couldn't possibly solve it. A set of 3 rolls of 1-4. 1-3. and 1-2 could; but that's not what a single statement that the RNG "rolled a 2" seems to indicate... Unless that single roll was a 1-24 roll, DaveV could not have considered every possible turn order in a single roll...

So, was every player position rolled, or was it just based on time windows? I'm still confused...

It makes the game a little slower to start with the person with a later time window (as you get less than 4 turns the first day), but it's more fair to give that a chance to happen. After things go full-cycle through the turn order, they would quickly normalize out to going in order of the day's time windows with 4 full turns a day...


I should mention there's another alternative though- perhaps DaveV simply based the turn order on the order of time windows, and rolled a dice to see which person went first. That is, if who went 2nd and 3rd was tied to who went first, then a single 1-4 dice roll could have resolved it... You know what? I bet that's what he actually did...

And you cannot expect any alterations to the map based on player order. I will, however, state that going last has a considerable advantage to it (such that, whilst I don't much care, I'd rather be last than first) - but you can ask for clarification on that in your own thread. Now that the game has begun, I'd really like to limit the OOG discussion of it to simply IT/tech issues, as anything else can influence the play (as can be seen in your discussion of the Clan up-thread).

That's odd- because I can't seen any possible advantage to having a later turn. Players can found cities in contested spots before you. They can snap up technologies with free Great People before you, and be the first to found religions. And perhaps most importantly- earlier players will always tend to be one step ahead in the warfare cycle, helping to ensure wars take place further from their homelands (reducing the chance of suffering pillaging).

I'd also ask that, in general, you bring up potential infractions or questions in your own thread for the lurkers to comment on before bringing them here. Whilst that was an honest mistake, had you brought it before the lurkers first you would have discovered that not only was it not the change you thought it was, but also that it was in fact implemented roughly 2 and a half years ago, by another modder entirely (Sareln).

I can bring up questions that apply to everyone in my own thread. But if the question is for you guys and the mapmaker (like how turn order was generated), then it really needs to be asked here...

Turn played and passed. Thanks DaveV for the smart response!

Cool beans. Now I've just got to wait for Krag before I get the save...


Regards,
Northstar

[Qgqqqqq]

In order:

Yeah that is what DaveV did.


That's a good example of the sort of discussion we don't want to have out here

But if you must know, the advantage to last in turn order is that they get to see all the barbarian moves (and can use that to differentiate barb units from HN units). But please, don't lets talk about it any more.


As Harry said, if you raise it with the lurkers they can point out any potential mistakes, be unbiased/less biased, make a faster and more informed consensus on whether it warrants the main thread, and are not going to cause drama or slow the game.

[Kragroth]

But if you must know, the advantage to last in turn order is that they get to see all the barbarian moves (and can use that to differentiate barb units from HN units). But please, don't lets talk about it any more.


As Harry said, if you raise it with the lurkers they can point out any potential mistakes, be unbiased/less biased, make a faster and more informed consensus on whether it warrants the main thread, and are not going to cause drama or slow the game.

Q. Stating that on turn 0 was fine and a prompt response here was appropriate. Talking about last turn advantage here is appropriate. We don't need your permission to talk about these appropriate topics. Please ignore the conversations if they bother you.