Mist Wrote:Well, it makes the best use of arguably cramped location. I'd make one change in light of Clan's likely hostility - move copper city ( green dot ) 1SW to a hill and scrap the filler city ( gray dot ) altogether. Two reasons :
*)You will want all the defence you can pull there,
*)Move will be food neutral ( fp, bananas exchanged for two sugars ) and hammer positive ( hill+two deserts for plains hill+two hills ). It would turn the city into long term good unit pump.
As so?
I actually like this as I'll be able to work the gems post BW to make up for the fact that I'm not going to get at those wines in the south for a spell. I think that makes the Magenta (since this is not aggressive it can't be pink) dot my first expansion, followed by the wines location. I will tech straight onto BW as well, followed by exploration. I need to get some eyes out into the middle zone between me and the Clan and more warriors. Let me consider a micro plan.
I was considering that too, but it wastes a couple more tiles than your original dotmap, so I wasn't sure if it would be better. That location is a bit lacking on food until you get a border expansion (as well as BW to chop out the sugars), though.
I haven't been reading very intently, so I wasn't sure of the exact terms of your settling agreements. They seem pretty crappy to be honest, seeing as how you can't plant NE of the copper which is only seven tiles from your capital, and only three tiles north. I'm not sure how the Sidar can contest that. But again, I haven't paid that much attention to how much land everyone has.
NobleHelium Wrote:I was considering that too, but it wastes a couple more tiles than your original dotmap, so I wasn't sure if it would be better. That location is a bit lacking on food until you get a border expansion (as well as BW to chop out the sugars), though.
I haven't been reading very intently, so I wasn't sure of the exact terms of your settling agreements. They seem pretty crappy to be honest, seeing as how you can't plant NE of the copper which is only seven tiles from your capital, and only three tiles north. I'm not sure how the Sidar can contest that. But again, I haven't paid that much attention to how much land everyone has.
Sidar and I are only about 14 tiles apart capital to capital. So the settling deal is equitable if not necessarily fair. I'm pretty happy that there's copper on my side of both lines TBH. The settling agreements (and associated NAPs) are there to let me get to 5 cities and build up magic and military to take on one of my neighbors (probably Clan).
I was really hoping that I could avoid hostilities with the clan early on, but it is looking increasingly bad. They've missed the deadline to get back to me on the settling deal. And well, if they have time to update their thread, they have the time to answer their e-mail. I grab Mardoc online for a brief moment to remind him of this.
[12:08] sareln09: hey, you free?
[12:09] Mardoc: sure
[12:09] Mardoc: well, depends on the subject - PBEM 5 diplo is pretty much all Tredje
[12:09] Mardoc:
[12:09] sareln09: Fair enough :P
[12:10] sareln09: Then all I've really got to say really is that you should remind him the deadline for whether to say yes or no to our settling deal just went by. And it would at least be polite to say no .
[12:11] Mardoc: I'll pass that on to him.
[12:11] sareln09: Thanks much
[12:11] Mardoc: I just don't want to make any non-binding promises
[12:11] Mardoc: so I can't say much of anything else.
[12:11] sareln09: I know. Let Tredje handle his diplo
[12:12] sareln09: he's just out of phase w/ me and hard to get ahold of
[12:12] sareln09: and I've already spammed the e-mail :D
In the meantime, I have to prepare for the worst. Fortunate indeed that I've got copper. I'm going to finish up this settler, hit another worker, and then squeeze out a ton of warriors it looks like. Not what I wanted to do with this game, but aggressive clan has a warping effect.
I'll open up negotiations with Iskender in the near future to talk about grabbing his enchantment mana at the time that I get adepts for enchanted blades. I'll take any advantage I can get basically. We'll be able to trade along the river once one of us grabs fishing, so it's a trade-network that Tredje will not be able to interrupt.
Tech Route: BW->Exploration
Once I've got BW I'll need to focus for a time on economic techs so that I don't crash my economy. Festivals, Education, and CoL all come to mind. If I'm still alive at that point, I'll push towards construction to get some collateral going. My great-scientist will almost certainly be used to bulb KotE at this point. I'll have to run the exact numbers first of course.
1st in GNP, lagging in all other categories. Luchuirp have their golems up, judging by the insane spikes in their manufacturing and power stats. Clan has got the strongest power and the worst GNP. They need to push on someone soon, and judging by their radio silence I'm thinking that that person is me.
I'm pushing a warrior out into the hills between us to try and get a minor amount of vision up. Hopefully some warning will be had.
Exploration before Bronzeworking. That way I don't lose worker turns and can have the road partially done by the time I expand. If I time this right, I will get Bronzeworking and KotE in rapid succession, inside 20 turns. Hmm, that's a thought, let me see if I can get the clan's attention with this:
Sareln Wrote:Tredje, Mardoc,
Judging by your recent silence, a settling deal does not appear to be something you're interested in anymore. Sorry to waste your time with the discussion. I would like to propose a different deal:
NAP until T80 with a renewal discussion starting around T75. One of my happy resources once we have trade up for as long as the NAP persists.
-Sareln-
EDIT: An explanation:
The main point of offering a deal is to try and draw some sort of diplomatic response from the Clan. If we're going to war a delay of hostilities to T80 will help me enormously as I will be able to have copper-enchanted blade warriors and some swordsmen by then. If they outright turn me down or refuse to answer me, I am assured of their hostility and plan accordingly. The T80 number is 10 turns too late as I will have copper and enchant on my timeline by T70, so it doesn't give away too much I think. [of course the Amurites want a later war!]
1. Could you tell me if Orthus spawns in my general area? I Believe that you are the only one who gets the arrow notification, the rest of us just get an event log.
2. Has the Clan talked to you at all in the past 6 turns? I haven't gotten any diplomatic response from Tredje (he's gone silent) and it's forced me to start prepping for war with warriors and BW rather than working on econ.
Topic Change: Resource Deals
I have become *very* interested in your enchantment mana and the fire mana from the Pyre. I would like to borrow both in about 20 turns, T70 or so, the number will get more exact as time goes on, it's to be in time with my first adepts coming off the line. If either of us grabs fishing we should have a trade-route connection, as I will be settling on the south tail of the river that runs through your lands. That city will also have copper, and so once you have BW I can trade it to you to give you T1 metals. This should help stiffen the both of us against either the clan or the Luchuirp who are both looking increasingly threatening. Judging from recent power spikes, I can only assume that the Dwarves have their golems up and are looking about for a tasty target.
So to state clearly. In return for Enchantment and Fire mana at a time of my choosing, I offer you copper at a time of your choosing. Sound good?
Quote:(11:28:09 PM) Iskender: you've got mail
(11:28:13 PM) Iskender: gotta go
(11:28:18 PM) Sareln: alrighty, take care
(11:28:23 PM) Sareln: and thanks for letting us all know about Orthus
(11:28:29 PM) Iskender: i'll fill you in re. luchuirp situation in the evening
(11:28:33 PM) Iskender: cheers
Iskender Wrote:[COLOR="Gray"]Hey Sareln
Orthus spawned near Balseraphs.
I haven't spoken to the Clan nor seen any of their units recently. They might be negotiating with someone - two turns ago I sent Tredje the turn, he immediately confirmed getting it, but didn't pass it for at least 12 more hours.
I'm sorry to hear you're forced to switch to military mode (there's a selfish element to that of course - i'm looking forward to your getting firebows ASAP and starting training my wannabe shades). The deal you're offering is fair, if I manage to keep the Pyre unexplored I'm in. If that's not a problem I'd like to get a few enchanted blades for my warriors.
Yes, the Dwarves have two wood golems already, but It seems that they are mostly preoccupied with the Sheaim at the moment.
Iskender[/COLOR]
I don't know what he means by that last sentence with enchanted blades? I can't cast it on his units can I? . Or does he just mean holding onto the enchantment mana for a bit longer? I don't need it until T70 anyways...
Other than that,
If I get T51 into my hands w/ no response from the Clan I'll send along the other message I mentioned earlier. Seriously Tredje, answer your mail you're making me paranoid.
Sareln Wrote:I don't know what he means by that last sentence with enchanted blades? I can't cast it on his units can I? . Or does he just mean holding onto the enchantment mana for a bit longer? I don't need it until T70 anyways...
I'm not sure either. Maybe if you have open borders you can move the adept onto a tile with his stack and spell cast this way affect both his and your units? But don't hold me on this, I'd have to test that. I always thought this requires an alliance, but never really had a reason to check.
Mist Wrote:I'm not sure either. Maybe if you have open borders you can move the adept onto a tile with his stack and spell cast this way affect both his and your units? But don't hold me on this, I'd have to test that. I always thought this requires an alliance, but never really had a reason to check.
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. Or does he just mean holding onto the enchantment mana for a bit longer? I don't need it until T70 anyways...
you're making me paranoid.
