With Marble, this changes some things. Before TT left, he and I had chat discussions that basically saw go after Oracling Math. I would have NOT thought of this, so I'm ignoring the Oracle to avoid any sort of spoilers.
Chat 1:
me: hi TT
jbtwinkletoes89: hey cull
me: Okay password for game is "SomethingThatYouShouldn'tKnow:P"
jbtwinkletoes89: righteo
me: So...
5:26 PM I have no REAL plan, just winging it as I go, so what do you think we should do?
jbtwinkletoes89: well you gained mysticism as a starting tech, correct?
me: yes, but 3 turns into AH already
5:27 PM or is it 2?
jbtwinkletoes89: do you have any resources you can farm?
me: grass pigs right next to my cap
and cap is on plains hill
jbtwinkletoes89: yeh
me: no other resources
5:28 PM jbtwinkletoes89: well after AH, I would definitely advise on a religion chase
me: Judaism?
jbtwinkletoes89: nah, you can hit Hindu or Buddhism I'm sure
me: I really don't see how else we could get one
ah
5:29 PM Buddhism if it hasn't fallen by then
AH is done in 5, so if Budd is fallen by then....
jbtwinkletoes89: Did anyone else have Mysticism as a starting tech?
5:30 PM me: I think noone did if it was right
so I don't think anyone will try to chase after it
5:31 PM jbtwinkletoes89: i'll just check
me: Next turn, do you want to log in and play
?
Just move the warrior, and you can see the map
TBH I don't know how to but screenies up
put not but
jbtwinkletoes89: Can do, but screenies are pretty simple
5:32 PM me: shinre/fiancial/wall street/buern.= Awesome Cap?
5:33 PM jbtwinkletoes89: all you do is press the 'print screen' button, next to scroll lock. It then saves the screenshot in your BtS folder and then you put it up on imageshack and link it to forums.
me: how to "link"
jbtwinkletoes89: And its a pretty nice cap, if it can feed plenty of cottages
can you put it up on imageshack?
me: Yeah
just how to link it
jbtwinkletoes89: right
5:34 PM me: I will have to do it next turn since I alreadly passed the save on...
jbtwinkletoes89: just log back into your old version
the save you were sent
5:35 PM me: okay
jbtwinkletoes89: its the best thing about PBEM
you can go back as many turns as you like and take screenies as long as you have the file
5:36 PM me:
cool
jbtwinkletoes89: That's how my PBEM3 thread stays updated
5:37 PM me: That reminds me: I HAVE to look at your thread if I have the chance.
Early Aggression? Yes/No?
5:39 PM jbtwinkletoes89: depends on who we find
me: ?
jbtwinkletoes89: we are ottomans, so we want to really keep out of wars until we are near jannisaries unless the odds are stacked in our favour
5:40 PM me: hmm, but wouldn't a quick early jaunt make us in a much more favorable posistion
jbtwinkletoes89: There is Inca, Babylon, Maya and Egypt with very early UUs
me: all of which all really good at defense too
jbtwinkletoes89: well not so much Inca but yes
5:41 PM We would need early copper
me: Yeah
jbtwinkletoes89: even for defence
5:42 PM me: yeah
WC come and we have no spears...
jbtwinkletoes89: yep
me: How about techs?
jbtwinkletoes89: or lots of quechuas and no axemen
you mean tech path?
me: yeah
5:44 PM jbtwinkletoes89: well we must get Mining and BW pretty soon, even if we have nearby horses
5:45 PM me: yeah
5:46 PM I was actually thinking about AH/Poly(or Med)/Wheel/Pottery/Mining/BW
a bit light on military though...
jbtwinkletoes89: if we have horses, it works as we get quite a few chariots and either attack someone or we have a very mobile defence
5:47 PM and tbh, I think a lot of players will be REXing
no barbs and noble difficulty
me: A total noob here so "rexing"?
jbtwinkletoes89: Recklessly expanding
5:48 PM so it depends what you want to do really
me: I actually like my tech plan with the idea of others REXing and us with horses
5:49 PM jbtwinkletoes89: Its the 'safe' option really
depends how ballsy you want to be
me: extremely
jbtwinkletoes89: well then...
5:50 PM me: Ignore mining until AD years? :P
jbtwinkletoes89: depends if its a risk that is rewarded
and if we get horses
5:51 PM me: yeah
screenes posted, but couldn't get them to appear on the RB page
5:52 PM jbtwinkletoes89: right, what you need to do is put these tags around the link
me: tags?
jbtwinkletoes89: [img] at the start and [/img] at the end of each link
5:53 PM try that
5:54 PM me: not working
jbtwinkletoes89: you might have chosen the wrong link
do you have the imageshack pages still up?
me: yeah
5:55 PM jbtwinkletoes89: put the link in labelled 'Direct Link'
me: where is that?
jbtwinkletoes89: there's a list of links below the image
5:56 PM see it?
5:57 PM me: got it
yep
Got it up
jbtwinkletoes89: there we go
5:58 PM well that capital's a bit underwhelming
me: yeah
jbtwinkletoes89: won't be long term capital when we have 20 cities and destined to win;-)
me:
Nice shrine city though
5:59 PM jbtwinkletoes89: any city is nice with a shrine in it
me: yeah
I meant with the grass/pigs/river/plains it would work well with a shrine and other money multi. buidling
6:00 PM I doubt any city on the map is going to be better
if THIS is the capital
jbtwinkletoes89:[SPOILER]
jbtwinkletoes89: yeh
6:02 PM me: I probably should have moved the warrior first before putting the screeshot up but I moved it on teh rice, and met 2 peaks
There was no direct overflow from
the titled behind it
so I THINK that we're in the NW corner
jbtwinkletoes89: yeh
this is inland sea?
6:03 PM me: yeah
jbtwinkletoes89: righteo
6:04 PM me: gtg see you later then
jbtwinkletoes89: now if we are planning on a grab of budd/hinduism, there is one other civ with mysticism
kk
will think of a plan
me: dinner now talk in an hour or so k?
jbtwinkletoes89: kk
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Chat 2:
me: Hi TT you on?
jbtwinkletoes89: yup
me: which other civ has myst?
jbtwinkletoes89: good job i'm a night owl!
well technically Maya and Inca should have had it
7:20 PM but our start got switched with Inca so they don't and we do
and I believe Egypt has it instead of Maya
me: okay
I don't think Jowy will chase religion
jbtwinkletoes89: maybe
7:21 PM here's the plan i've been working on in the last hour
its an oracle strategy but isn't an early rush
(Poly/Med)->AH->Mining->BW->(Med)->P/hood->Writing->Mathematics->Masonry->Construction
with Oracle'ing Maths
7:22 PM me: Nice tech path
but construction is a look of beakers
Plus we lack Pottery/cottages/granies
jbtwinkletoes89: but THE tech for both attack and defence
that's the trade-off
me: I would take Pottery over Construction TBH
7:23 PM As well with Masonary
what's the use of masonary with no stone/marble?
jbtwinkletoes89: Hammam
me: I'm so stupid at times
jbtwinkletoes89: +2 happiness and health
me: yeah
jbtwinkletoes89: that's my theory
7:24 PM aim for maths and hammams
me: Maybe AH then grab whatever religion is left?
I like it
jbtwinkletoes89: maybe - but gives someone a chance to go myst and then get a run on the other
me: Hunting, what about it
gah, I really doubt it, and I think getting the 6/0/1 grass pigs up is better
jbtwinkletoes89: the key thing to winning an oracle rush is to streamline the techs
7:25 PM me: yeah
jbtwinkletoes89: [SPOILER]
7:26 PM me: I still think we NEED to get AH for pigs either before or after the first religion is fine
so actually the tech path is good except replace construction with pottery or another cheaper tech
yeah
jbtwinkletoes89: well my tech path was mainly up to maths and then add masonry
7:27 PM after that I'm fine
me: k
jbtwinkletoes89: main thing was to show that construction for cats isn't too far away]
me: yeah
jbtwinkletoes89: The only other oracle target is Monarchy - but hammams can take the happiness strain for long enough
Metal Casting is no good to us rellly
7:28 PM Alphabet no good
CoL OK but not brilliant
me: yeah
jbtwinkletoes89: I have too much time on my hands!
7:29 PM me: nah, that tech plan is a work of art!
jbtwinkletoes89 [SPOILER]
7:30 PM The trade off for this plan means we have to settler spam a bit less
me: meh
If we land math, and hammans early enough Ithink its worth it
jbtwinkletoes89: I do
me: no marble though
jbtwinkletoes89: Oracle is too bigger prize to ignore really
7:31 PM 6 choppable forests
me: I think plan should be worker-warrior until size 3, then settler?
oh yeah
An idea that I'm thinking is too get the worker and chop out another worker from that
jbtwinkletoes89: hmmm
7:32 PM we won't have BW in time
we have to get mining aswell
me: I checked the map and we only have 5 forest in our BFC
and yeah
We have to chop 7 for oracle?
7:33 PM jbtwinkletoes89: we have 6 in BFC
me: ah
jbtwinkletoes89: 3 in inner ring - 2 in east part of cross and 1 south of pigs
7:34 PM like I said, I have too much time on my hands
me: oh
I mus have miscounted
jbtwinkletoes89: dw about it
me: So that's about 20 worker turns on oracle?
I really think that if anybody has Marble, its too risky
jbtwinkletoes89: we may find marble nearby
7:35 PM we don't have to commit to this plan for at least 6 turns
maybe more
thats a lot of scouting
me: yeah
jbtwinkletoes89: and I'd wager we find either stone or marble nearby
me: gtg now I'll see you tommorrow
and yeah
jbtwinkletoes89: kk bye
Posting these chats just to try and avoid spoilers. So with Marble BUT with my choice to take out Oracle, TGL, Partheon, and maybe Sistine all are very appealing. Yet, Speaker probably put Marble or Stone near each start, so I'll expect some competition.
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