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This from M3:
Quote:Hey guys,
I moved the catapults into your land and gifted them according to your instructions. There are a few more coming as well. I'm sorry that I made a mistake with the two catapults way over in the west; I thought you had to have a move point available to gift a unit so I moved them only one tile into your territory before gifting them. If this were a PbEM I would have reloaded to fix this since it's the first thing I did, but alas, it's not. I hope it doesn't screw up your logistics too badly. Anyway, good luck with the catapults; may they always withdraw when you suicide them!
TheHumanHydra
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I just sent this to M3 hoping for a quick response as their answer kind of affects what tech path we go for:
Quote:Hey Hydra,
I thought that was how gifting worked too, and I thought we'd only have the movement points you'd left us, but all the cats have full movement on them! 
We're really pleased with this lot! I promise they'll do some amazing damage! (And we'll try to return them with some promotions  )
HAK was doing some scouting towards WIFOM last turn, do you know how many units Trolls have in and around there at the moment? Also we're worried that White Russian, Gin Tonic and On the Rocks may start building Triremes - so if you're at a loss for what to do with your scout we'd appreciate a heads-up over there too.
Things are getting so exciting that I think I need a lie down.
Cheers
Old Harry
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This from M3, I'll try and catch Hydra on chat:
Quote:Hey,
I have bad news. The Trolls have divined our ruse; I don't think anything we can say will persuade them. Worse, I am afraid we may have made them think we (me and HAK) are dirt-bags in real life, not just in the game. I felt the need to reach out to them and make sure our real-life relationship is not damaged, but this will involve confirming our dirty deed and, by implication, that you are planning on attacking them (not that they don't basically know that already). I really hope that you guys won't be offended at us doing this - I don't think either of us have anything to lose by it anyway - but I feel that our real-life relationship takes precedence over anything in the game. I thought it would be right for us to let you know, though. I hope you will understand. If you would like to chat about this issue any further from a personal perspective, you know how to reach me. It will probably be a done deed by the time you reach me, but I am open to any criticism that may be necessary.
I hope you have a good day other than this,
TheHumanHydra
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I've had a quick chat with Hydra (I've cut out some unimportant stuff):
Quote:me: Hey Hydra
I hear you've had a nasty email?
Hydra: Not at all nasty.
...
me: They aren't accusing you of breaking the NAP or anything then?
Hydra: Yes.
Our NAP involved us informing each other of any deals we were planning on making with you.
Obviously we didn't inform them of our secret deal.
But more importantly for them, they see our providing you with units as a a violation of our NAP.
I see it as war-by-proxy/supply with arms, which is perfectly normal in international relations.
me: So I can see why they're upset. Did the NAP specifically go into "No gifting units" kind of detail?
Hydra: No.
...
Hydra: These are plako's words:
" Deal's valid up to turn 110
* NAP
* We discuss with each other before making new deals with Gillette
* No EP points spending against each other"
Obviously we renewed the agreement after that.
me: Yeah,
Well apart from not telling him we were conspiring against him I'm not sure what you've done wrong there lol
(lol doesn't work nearly so well without the little animation)
Hydra: I'm just imagining an email to him:
"As part of our agreement,
me: People have different definitions of NAPs...
Hydra: "We are obliged to inform you we are now conspiring secretly to destroy you."
me: Brilliant! Send it now!
"It has been brought to our attention that as part of our agreement, we are obliged to inform you we are now conspiring secretly to destroy you."
Hydra: But yeah, the issue for me is not that there mad in-game, that's understandable, even if I think we have a good case, but that they might (I don't know, just suspect) think we have poor character in real life.
That's why we want to send them that message we're drafting.
But I thought we should tell you about it because we would be conveying in-game information.
That you're planning on attacking them.
I mean, they basically know already, but I thought you should know we were telling them that.
me: Well I was planning on attacking you until I strong-armed you into helping me attack them...
If they know we're attacking already I don't think it'll be a problem you discussing it.
Hydra: Literally? Cause that was going to be our fake excuse to them. That's funny.
I'm glad you're okay with it.
me: If you can avoid telling them how many cats you've given us I'll be happy...
Hydra: I just said "given them units." Didn't even say cats.
I did say "weapons," who knows if they'll read something into that.
...
me: I should get on and play our turn.
Hydra: Ok, good luck, and thanks for talking.
me: Oh, one other thing - I don't suppose you saw any triremes getting built in Plako's coastal cities?
Hydra: Not sure. HAK's been playing the turns. I'll ask him tonight.
me: Thanks
Hydra: HAK's overall impression is that their defences are weak to very weak.
One spear in WIFOM I think he said.
(I think he said it to you already too)
Obv their power graph is starting to go up though.
me: We were worried that they'd revolt to Nationalism and draft muskets, but they can't until t140 now, so they must be whipping cats at the moment...
Hydra: When's your attack date?
me: t141, but don't tell anyone!
Hydra: I won't.
I urge speed. You've got knights and marines, don't give them a chance to whip or draft an army and get back on their feet.
Don't let them do to you what you did to Serdoa in 46.
me: Yeah, we plan to burn anything we're not 100% sure of keeping. Which will be most things!
Hydra: I look forward to it. I don't know if I should say this, but I'm pushing for us joining you as soon as we can if it goes poorly for you.
That's not a committment.
me: Your NAP is t160 isn't it? It'll all be over by then either way!
Hydra: You never know, Trolls might decide our actions have terminated our NAP. Wouldn't that be interesting.
me: You should ask if they think so!
Hydra: I did prompt them. I said "If you feel the need to terminate our NAP formally, we will understand."
me: Ha ha!
Hydra: Anyway, I should go get some food before class.
Again, thanks for talking. I appreciate it.
me: Okay see you later
Hydra: See ya.
I think Hydra can be a little overly worried about people's feelings, so I hope Plako isn't too hard on him...
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Oh, and Tasunke wants an infinitely long NAP:
Quote:I just remembered that we do not seem to have any NaP agreements. Would you be fine with a NaP until at least 10 turns after the Plako is destroyed?
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Well, we don't have to worry that much about the Galley anymore
That notion of "deals" is vague--wouldn't war technically be a deal? (who declared in our "war" again?)
I agree with the "war by proxy" part, though admittedly that's because it's benefiting us--admittedly though, I doubt we even need those cats to win this war, unless they're hiding an army somewhere :/
I still disagree on burning WIFOM until we see that they actually have an army to take it back--I don't think anything else is that good, and that we certainly can consider burning down other stuff--while I'm thinking of it, where is Statue of Zeus? That should be an immediate target for obvious reasons.
Unless they've snuck in Construction while I wasn't looking, they can't actually build cats yet--they left one turn remaining on Construction, and it wasn't completed last time I checked :/
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We declared on M3 I think. I don't think M3 have that much to worry about. Gifting the cats is a little dubious, but different people have different opinions of NAPs.
I think we're going to both need to be online when we attack to discuss things like burning cities. When is the best time of day for you to do that? Probably early next week...
Statue of Zeus is on the TEAM border, in Rasmune, we should direct Tas there as a priority!
They are on construction now. Should have it next turn if they want it...
I've just been looking through old diplo and the first agreement we had said NAP to EOT115, the second said "Our NAP will last to turn 140" which isn't entirely clear, so I was thinking we should send an email to Trolls along the lines of:
Quote:Sorry to be so hard to reach over the last few weeks. I don't think we can afford to agree to the NAP extension we were discussing as you are just too good at this game. That means that our current NAP will run out EOT 140. I hope there are no hard feelings.
Gillette
Mostly for the clarification, but also so that we don't come over as total jerks 
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I think that email to Trolls is fine, now that our cover's been blown
On weekdays I'm busy morning through early afternoon--later afternoon (around 4:00 PM CDT) should work in most instances for the next week or two.
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Yeah, this was bound to happen eventually. I'm surprised we were able to fool them as long as we were. Brilliant move there Old Harry. Send the message. We're both in all-out war now, no more need to dodge them.
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