Gillette Diplomacy Thread: Dossiers, Scheming, and Puppet Strings

[Old Harry]

And offer him as many resources as he needs, I'll have time in about 24 hours, if anyone can send a message sooner feel free.. deals are listed in the micro spreadsheet.

[Old Harry]

Had some time, hawk2370 is Q's email, what do you think of this?

Hi Q,

Good to have you on board, the deals you have with Gillette include:
- a rolling 10-turn cancellation period NAP
- Spices from you for Iron from us - we don't need the extra happy any more, so cancel this if you want to
- Sheep for Sheep - a sign of our undying friendship (from when Lewwyn was playing CTON)
- Open borders without right-of-passage (we'd be happy to allow ROP, but Tas didn't want it)
We've got spare happy at the moment and are happy to gift anything you currently need to help with your happy cap.

We feel a bit responsible for the war you're stuck with - we had asked Tas to attack Trolls with us, and he agreed, but wouldn't/couldn't tell us when he would attack. So seven turns into the war our offensive had ground to a halt and Trolls threatened one of our cities and asked for peace, we capitulated and offered peace in-game the turn before Tas declared. If we'd known he was going to declare we'd have stayed at war and given up the city, but as it was it really landed TEAM in trouble as Trolls had drafted a huge army by then.

We're NAPed up to t200 with Trolls now, so there's no chance of us helping you out militarily.

All the best
Gillette

[Old Harry]

Just noticed Q sent me this this morning.

What deals does Gillete have with TEAM?
On a unrelated note, what deals do you want to have with TEAM?

Oh and a brief history would be nice, Tasunke seemed to think you backstabbed...or something.

[Cheater Hater]

That email looks fine--if Tasnuke wasn't on the team anymore I'd want to go into more detail about TEAM's indecision regarding our war, but I certainly don't want to anger them more than we already have

If you think Q will more receptive than Tasnuke, you could ask for more details on the war--how many cities have been taken, have they offered peace (and for how much), how bad of a state they're in--but I don't think we'll get much

[Old Harry]

Sent a pm to Q:

What deals does Gillete have with TEAM?
On a unrelated note, what deals do you want to have with TEAM?

Oh and a brief history would be nice, Tasunke seemed to think you backstabbed...or something.

Hi Q,

Good to have you on board, the deals you have with Gillette are:
- a rolling 10-turn cancellation period NAP
- Spices from you for Iron from us - we don't need the extra happy any more, so cancel this if you want to
- Sheep for Sheep - a sign of our undying friendship (from when Lewwyn was playing CTON)
- Open borders without right-of-passage (we'd be happy to allow ROP, but Tas didn't want it)
We've got spare happy at the moment and are happy to gift anything you currently need to help with your happy cap. We don't need anything from you other than to give Trolls a bloody nose...

We feel a bit responsible for the war you're stuck with - we had asked Tas to attack Trolls with us, and he agreed, but wouldn't/couldn't tell us when he would attack (and missed a turn or two in the run up). So seven turns into the war our offensive had ground to a halt (we burnt one city and captured another) and Trolls threatened one of our cities and asked for peace, we capitulated and offered peace in-game the turn before Tas declared. If we'd known he was going to declare we'd have stayed at war and given up the city, but as it was we'd given up hope that he would. Unfortunately for you it really landed TEAM in trouble as Trolls had drafted a huge army by then and part of their condition for signing peace was that we gave them some Zerks...

We're NAPed up to t200 with Trolls now, so there's no chance of us helping you out militarily.

All the best
Gillette

[Old Harry]

Got this back:

Thanks, its good to have some backstory (that's more then tasunke gave :rollseyesmile.
Can I interest you in a straight 40-50t NAP (as well as the rolling)?
Update on Trolls, they seem to be trying to get a short peace treaty to come back with guns in 10 turns time...as we'r researching Civil Service now we're pretty well stuffed.

I guess we want to accept the NAP.

I can't think of anything to suggest to help them out against Trolls...

[Old Harry]

Reply to Q - I just sent this as I want to keep communication quick with him:

Thanks, its good to have some backstory (that's more then tasunke gave ).
Can I interest you in a straight 40-50t NAP (as well as the rolling)?
Update on Trolls, they seem to be trying to get a short peace treaty to come back with guns in 10 turns time...as we'r researching Civil Service now we're pretty well stuffed.

Okay - how about a NAP to t200 with rolling 10-turn expiry notification after that? (So effectively we're at peace to t210 and probably long after that)

I guess Trolls will want the peace to sort out their war weariness so they can build, whip and draft units for attacking you and get their economy back on line for staying ahead of us and M3.

From our point of view the longer you keep them at war the better, so if you are struggling with war weariness we can offer a gift of elephant or gold for as long as you're at war. I can't really think of anything else to help you out right now, we need all the cash we have to try and catch up on tech.

[Old Harry]

And straight back from Q:

Definitely agree to the NAP.
I would love any happy you can provide - we got our gold culturally stolen, and two luxuries are at the crucial border city. I'm not in game, but I can't really expect anything that's exclusive to you (obviously) but how about a deal for any surplus you can part with for as long as I'm at war with TEAM (read:till death do us part) .
Do you have tech visibility on them? We've pretty much been straight so if necessary I could keep up a commentary.

I'll reply something like this in a few hours:

Okay, we'll give you the whale now with no strings attached - I've offered it in game - and will replace it with some actually spare happy resources that we plan to have online over the next ten turns or so. Don't forget to cancel the spices deal if you need to.

We have tech visibility - I think they are sandbagging the economics great merchant for some reason. We're miles from getting him though so probably not going to try and snipe it.

[Old Harry]

Sent this:

Okay, we'll give you the whale now with no strings attached - I've offered it in game - and will replace it with some genuinely spare happy resources that we plan to get online over the next ten turns or so. Also don't forget to cancel the spice-iron deal if you need to.

We have tech visibility on Trolls too - I think they are sandbagging the economics great merchant for some reason. We're miles from economics though, so probably not going to try and snipe him...

[Old Harry]

From Q this morning:

Update: As you know, they've switched to astro (or are research hiding, which I detest). What you may not know is I have pathetic defences coastally and worse navy (optics would take forever, I'd rather add Muskets/drafting). Does your NAP exclude naval gifts?

I think I should say:

I think they like saving money on one tech before actually researching something different. Which I don't have a huge problem with, but if they are hiding what they are researching I'll be disappointed.

We were just discussing the idea of gifting you a galleon or two filled with Zerks to let you attack out of the blue. But while the NAP doesn't explicitly rule that out it is against the spirit of "no aggression". Also they have a lot of caravels about which would make a sneak attack by sea pretty difficult.

We plan to set up a sentry net of caravels around the Troll coast over the next few turns - would you like an update whenever they do anything interesting?

This last bit is something I only just thought of - we've got three caravels that have finished exploring and could sit just outside Troll culture keeping an eye out for naval action. What do you think?