Molach destroys Willem and the Celts[SPOILERS!]

[spacetyrantxenu]

I... never noticed the misspelling.

This doesn't surprise me. It kind of reminds me of your only real contribution to the team's PB11 thread, actually.... Although you claimed that was intentional IIRC. Riiiight!

[Molach]

Breaking news: Dtay declared war on AT, took a city first turn.

This is probably no surprise to you as he updates. Regularly. He offered me copper+iron for copper+iron. I declined and re-offered, to show ..."hell yeah let's be friends".

AT retreated from my lands, wheeled his army 90 degrees to face north to block the oncoming dtay forces.

I took killed 2 archers and a spear and took my city back again, AT can take it back (I guess he will) and burn it if he wants, but then I should be cleared to re-found it soon.

At one point, when I was 2 cities down, AT offered peace for 10gpt (me to him). In typical Molachian defiance I declined and whipped all my cities. Repeatedly. But I was still the war, but we were pretty even, so he had to resort to heavy whipping himself. We have weakened ourselves out of both contention and soon into one of the power-empires around here, dtay for AT and Ichabod for me. It would make sense for Ichabod to overrun my northern cities with a quick knight-strike once his guilds finish. I'll be 10-12 turns behind.

Merry feast of winterveil, all. Pics once I get time, I barely have enough to play my turns right now.

If anyone has a perfect generic excellent present-for-wife tip, I'll take it.

[BRickAstley]

So, it reads like you agreed with AT to be friends and then attacked him anyways? Or am I reading that wrong?

[Boldly Going Nowhere]

Friendships are not always equal partnerships.

[Old Harry]

So, it reads like you agreed with AT to be friends and then attacked him anyways? Or am I reading that wrong?

Did he mean dtay rather than AT?

[Boldly Going Nowhere]

No. The iron for iron deal was sent back as a sign of good intention. AT wheeled his army to the north toward dtay, leaving less forces in position to hit or defend against Molach. Molach used this to advantage to reclaim a border city. I'm guessing this means they can be friends now?

I'm not always nice to my friends either.

[Mardoc]

Huh? Molach's clearly saying that Dtay declared on AT, took a city, and offered Molach the copper/iron deal. Then Molach reoffered that to Dtay. I can see how you might be somewhat confused, since the most recent antecedent for the pronoun is AT, not Dtay, but a) it makes much more sense for that to come from/to Dtay, and b) AT literally can't offer an equal trade while at war. If you add stuff to a peace treaty, it has to be one-sided, IIRC, either reparations or tribute.

If anyone has a perfect generic excellent present-for-wife tip, I'll take it.

Gift certificate for a massage.

Something that would give her time: restaurant gift card, for example.

[Molach]

Mardoc's interpretation is correct. It was not a backstab, AT and me have been at a wasteful, devastating war for 6-7 turns. Dtay jumped in last turn, which enabled me to take back one of my* cities as AT needs to defend his core rather than the barren, low-pop cities we've been fighting over this time.

Dtay was also the one who sent the alliance offer.

I consider another city mine**, I'll assess where I stand after that. If I can make gains with my then-alive forces, I'll go for it. If not I'll spread a religion around, build economy stuff, pop out another GP for a GA so I can meet the inevitable incoming rifles with at least renaissance units.

* This city was only enabled after I razed an AT city earlier.
** This city also was AT's.
I guess I was the bad guy in the AT-Mol warring after all...


Restaurant is an excellent idea. There is in fact one good restaurant in our (rather new) city. I'll call them.

She also wanted a "feminine" toaster, whatever that is.

[Molach]

No. The iron for iron deal was sent back as a sign of good intention. AT wheeled his army to the north toward dtay, leaving less forces in position to hit or defend against Molach. Molach used this to advantage to reclaim a border city. I'm guessing this means they can be friends now?

I'm not always nice to my friends either.

Friendships in competitive free-for-all, winner-takes-it-all online gaming is probably a topic worth a few anthropology papers...
My take on this: My goal is to make my nation the mightiest I can, at all time. If I can't win, I'll still be as strong as I can. Dtay probably saved me from inevitable defeat to AT. But he's not my 'friend' in that I will use my forces to destroy AT units just so dtay can get land. If I stay at war, I'll grab my fair share. Or 'fair' share. I think I probably can't advance beyond one more city, because if I advance I'll come up against AT core cities which he will defend better. AT still has more military than me. I might take one of the cities he took from Adrien, but ...those are Adrien's, not sure he'll let me keep them for long. So soon; peace in our time.

[Bobchillingworth]

She also wanted a "feminine" toaster, whatever that is.