Fall From Heaven VII Map Thread (Help Needed!)

[Ravus Sol]

While i'm here and remembering Is there a what NOT to Do thread for map makers? And if not can we make one to link first time map makers to? You really don't realise how small negatives and positives in starting positions can lead to snowballs or dives untill you make a map.

[Nicolae Carpathia]

Don't listen to every single thing your reviewers say, just because someone said it.

7 riverside grasslands and grass cow was "food poor", 2 riverside grass 4 riverside marsh needed the gems to be nerfed by jungle.

[Mist]

While i'm here and remembering Is there a what NOT to Do thread for map makers? And if not can we make one to link first time map makers to? You really don't realise how small negatives and positives in starting positions can lead to snowballs or dives untill you make a map.

None exists. We could probably try, but I expect it's doomed to fail as different people have different view on balance ( see OO discussion thread ) and what constitutes fun.

What everyone of us could try doing, is to write down in detail how his next ( or previous ) map came to existence. Making a library of threads like this would probably be more helpful to people wanting to start making maps.

[Gaspar]

Elves: ?

Needed less OP Clowns and to play better, primarily.

But yeah, the whole FFH community signed up to dedlurk definitely mangled this map process. We were starved for commerce so it took even longer than normal to get the EE going. The rivers got mentioned several times but rivers don't do a lot for the elves, as

1. Much of it was forested already.
2. Obviously long term it would all get forested.

We really had a slog to Education and then the slow maturation process with nothing other a cotton to use. I can see the crowd thought it oh so strategic to jungle my gold so I'd have the "interesting decision" of going for BW early, but with nothing other than the worst commerce resource in the game to help fuel the beginning it wasn't a decision at all - there's no way I could get to that gold before turn 70+ without making huge sacrifices.

No biggie, if everyone faces similar choices. Unfortunately the Clowns and Grigori had relative paradises.

Anyway, I'm not bitter, the mediocre starting land isn't why I'm posting here now, but I thought it worth the comment. I appreciate Ravus pulling together to make us a map and it was attractive and I had a good time with the game. Just figured I should throw the Elvish opinion in here.

[NobleHelium]

Just don't use ErebusContinent for another game.

[Brian Shanahan]

I had to stop commenting in this game. I kept feeling like I was getting glared at whenever I posted

But yes, lots of mistakes were made. I should have kept the map shape but made identical starts and made LOTS of alterations.

Elohim: needed more everything
Grigori: ?
Balseraphs: Needed less floodplains (and less luck with the RNG)
Hippus: Needed more rivers in retrospect
Elves: ?
Sheaim: Needed more (better) land and less jungle to the West to allow expansion into that passage early (should have just put jungle in the center around the world tree.

Fixed that for you. Yes my first start was way overpowered with triple gold and safe Ygga, but you nerfed way too hard. I had no land, and what little I did was either too small or too bad.

Honestly as has been said over and over again in my thread (mostly by Ichabod) I had no chance of winning this game at turn 0, and if I had figured out at turn 10 what was revealed by my map swap with Gaspar I would have walked away, no excuses, just "it is pointless me playing a game I can't win."

[Amelia]

To my defense i didn't see the corrected map, only the uncorrected one And i had no idea how powerful the Balseraph's start was, but like around the 25th turn i was starting to think to myself "oh shit what have i done".

I still stick to my point that my points were correct, but it went a step or three too far, sorry about that.