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Team Bring It!™ Planning Thread

Jkaen Wrote:Ok, lets look at our SE first. I think its decided you are handling it, are you confident that you want Spi? If so I say we lock Pacal and choose the civ you prefer (I would probably go Arabia).

Then with 2 locked it may make it easier to focus on #3

We can't lock 2 and leave 1 free as that limits us too much. What we choose for number 2 limits too much what we can do with number 3.

While Pacal of India is lovely there is something about it which worries me. I have seen in all my medieval games that Philosophical is really helpful in this game but it needs spiritual to work at its best.

What I am thinking about right now is whether we compromise and go for something like this:

Lizzie (Fin/Phi) of something - Arabia/England/France/whatever.

and

Bismarck (Exp/Ind)/ Shaka (Agg/Exp) / Washington (Exp/Cha) of India

There we minimise Philo a bit, but we have a full on econ person who can do a hybrid economy which would mean it could adapt best to whatever the map produces.

We also then instead use India's fast workers (at half price expansive) to chop out an army and/or wonders. Using Bismarck as an example, we could use half price workers to chop half price forges and then we build up a solid production based player quite quickly which can then be used to rapidly build a supporting army to Cyrus or some targeted wonders (like HG).
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Is India going to be gifting its fast workers to the other 2 players?

If not does the extra 25% (not 50% in BTS) on the number of workers it will build given faster growing cities in medieval make that big a difference?

Not sure I like basing a civs focus on chops when we have no idea on the number of forests either.

I dont mind sticking with PHI/SPI and FIN/EXP and making up only having 1 war civ by having stronger econoies and hence more troops
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HERE is the link again tot he medieval guide. Yes alot of it is based around quick attacking 1v1 games, but the comments on the traits etc I think are still worth reading.

For example he suggests PHI/SPI doesn't actually save you that many turns and maybe PHI/IND would be better, which would also give us somebody who could handle wonders (and then use the bonus GP points on them)

You could then for example a FIN/AGG India

(note you cant choose washington btw as we have used our CHA already)
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There is no Phil/Ind leader
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Thats a very good reason for not picking one! lol

Ok, PHI/AGG and FIN/IND?
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Still not sure tbh

I don't think AGG/PHI would work because Philosophical guy will want to ideally be in Pacifism and maybe Bureaucracy, whereas Aggressive would want to be in Theology and/or Vassalage.
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Ok, we are running out of time I think to make our choices, so I will ask one more question of why not PHI/XXX of India?

Then leave it to those with more experience than me to make our final choice
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Well we could go Lizzie (Fin/Phi) of India and use that as a full on econ machine with quick chops/cottages/farms - that could work for me.

Then we go Stalin (Agg/Ind) of Rome so we have the option of an early Praet/Keshik rush if we want but also have a strong production based leader who will also produce promoted units?
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I know I said I would leave this, but I dont feel comfortable with Lizzie.

Its my understanding that SE = lots of farms, CE = lots of cottages. By running hybrid are you not gimping both?

I would prefer to see 2 seperate civs able to support a decent economy model as we are still in a 4 team game (it would be different if we were team spulla) so I still dont think people will be rushing us.
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I agree that dropping HRE as an option sounds best.



Fast workers are incredibly useful. It's up to you if it's worth taking India instead of another military civ- if you get Arabia, you already do have some (fairly minor) advantages with your UU over the regular knight.


For a purely military civ, I'd probably take either Aggressive France or Protective Spain. depends on what kind of units you think you'll need most.


Edit- purely military second civ, that is. You already have Cyrus for one. I wouldn't take Rome, since Maces are available one tech (or an easy bulb) in.
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