[SPOILERS] Yossarian blames Caledorn

[YossarianLives]

Ok, we need to revise our message. How about this:

Hi TeddyKGB and Team EggHeads,

Oh no! That would have been so great if they left that city for you to raze. We agree we want to work with you to continue putting pressure on Rome. Could you let us know if they do communicate with you at all? We'll also share all our info about them with you obviously.

Here is a picture from T68 that shows three warriors defending Neapolis, and the latest power graph from T72. The most recent 10k spike is IW, which they completed last turn, and I think the other 8k increase was either an axe + warrior, a pair of chariots, or chariot + spear.

Talk to you soon,

Blame Caledorn

[Old Harry]

Sounds good.

[YossarianLives]

Message sent, and we already received a reply!

Hi,

Thank you for screenshots and info about Rome. Your C&D is very helpful.
We've got LP's graphs 1-2 turns ago. Are you interested?

No, Rome didn't reply to us either. We just sent one short msg asking them to confirm they get it -- no reply.
Did you ask other teams, who made contact with Rome about their diplo? I guess Rome just playing AI diplo style and wanna have fun with AGG Praets.

As a next step of our cooperation, I suggest our teams stay at 0/0 EP for as long as we can.
We can exchange graphs regullary, if you agree. You'll see our progress along with North teams, we'll see yours and Rome's.
It's just a thought, I had to check with our team leader DMOC, but I think it could be profitable for both our teams.

Any screenshots you want to see from us?
Our scouting was all over the map, not optimal maybe. Here is a picture of our minimap from T72.



As you can see, there is just land east-west. I'm sure South part of the map is similar.

All the best,
TeddyKGB

[YossarianLives]

Turn 73

Scouting:

I think we'll go southeast with Elayne next, to uncover that coast that EggHeads haven't unfogged yet, before heading back northeast to meet the Care Bears. Also, this whole time I've been attributing Lizzie's traits to Vickie, and saying that Care Bears aren't Imp. But of course Vickie is Fin / Imp and that is why Care Bears have been spamming the settlers. In the west, Moiraine is uncovering more classy roads.

We got BowAivo's graphs, so I took shots of all of them.

Graphs:

We are doing relatively ok. Poor BowAivo seem to be lacking in the important categories of Food and GNP. I envy their position of being able to keep such a small army, though.

Demos:

Pictures we could maybe send EggHeads:

The mini-map would be to reciprocate their latest picture. The picture of the Ponies' lands is just since Teddy was wondering what they have been doing. We can also send the picture of the GG scouting, and any graphs they want.

[YossarianLives]

I took some time to go over micro today. Now we actually have a plan for the next few turns!

Server Problems

We're chopping the forest tile where that settler is going to plant the next city. The forest is in Server Problem's third ring. If it gives at least 15 hammers, then we won't need to switch off the hamlet onto the mine until T75, the same turn the chop comes in. If the chop gives less then 15 hammers, then we need to switch to the mine next turn in order to have the settler finish eot75. A search of civstats led me to an old thread by OzzyKP which claims that you get the full value from chops out to the third ring, but I'm sure that is wrong. The thread says 4th-ring chops go down from 20 hammers to 16 hammers on fast speed, so that's what I'm going with on the micro sheet. If this is wrong, please let me know!

After the settler, I'll put hammers into a Lighthouse while we grow back up to size 6 on T79, the turn our whip anger runs out. Then we can build / whip another settler or worker.

Silent Neighbor

Silent Neighbor is still working on that Great Scientist. I don't even know what we're going to do with it. I guess make an Academy in the capital, but we don't have an awesome commerce capital to really benefit fully from that. It will finish slow-building the barracks, then slow-build a 5-turn axe.

Bad Economy

Bad Econ just whipped a worker. It will now grow in two turns putting more hammers into a Library. The worker will be used to chop out a settler, which we'll start as soon as we grow back to size 4 on T76. Another worker will come down from the north, so we'll finish two chops on T77, and one more to finish the settler on T80. I think this city will go by fish to our southwest.

Gov't Shutdown

Gov't Shutdown is going to have to do as our unit pump for now. It'll finish the Barracks with a chop on T75, then put a few hammers into an axe, then switch to mines and put some hammers into a spear, go back to the spear and 2-pop whip it, then 1-turn the spear, then have a bunch of overflow for the next unit.

Serdoa's Chariot

This is the one I'm most lost with. It'll finish it's Terrace T75 and pop borders T80. But I don't really know what to build here, or whether I should let it keep the corn (Bad Econ could use it for its settler builds)

[Old Harry]

No idea on the chop, doesn't the roll-over text say? Are you getting maths soon?

Is there anything you want to lightbulb? How many beakers does a settled gs get vs an academy at break-even?

Do gg have horses? If so an unpromoted spear to protect your axes might be handy from serdoas chariot. Otherwise workers or research?

[YossarianLives]

No idea on the chop, doesn't the roll-over text say? Are you getting maths soon?

Duh, good suggestion! Yeah, the rollover shows that we'll get 16 hammers in Server Problems from the chop. Thanks!

We do have Maths slotted as the next tech, but just saving gold for now. We're getting +15 gold at 0%, losing 25 gold at 100%, and Maths takes 6 turns, so we've got a ways to go.

Do gg have horses? If so an unpromoted spear to protect your axes might be handy from serdoas chariot. Otherwise workers or research?

GG does have horses, so we'll get a spear in there next. Good suggestion!

[YossarianLives]

Had another chat with Teddy today:

TeddyKGB
hello
YossarianLives
Hi
How's it going?
TeddyKGB
have 10-15 min to chat?
not going well
YossarianLives
Sure
TeddyKGB
we retreat from rome's city
YossarianLives
Oh no, what's wrong?
TeddyKGB
did u know they had chariots?
u sent us screenshot with their south city and horses, but i wasnt sure it were pastured
well, it would be a gift if they leave city protected by 1 warrior
i'm sorry we couldnt raze it
1 of our chariot is patrolling that ice NW of rome now, if we saw some movement we'll tell u ofc
YossarianLives
Ok, thanks
Yeah, we knew they had horses
They just finished hooking them up as our quechua initially explored the area. If we had been a few turns faster, we might have been able to move in and threatened the workers...
TeddyKGB
well, 4 cities not hard to defend with 1-2 chariots
YossarianLives
That is the first Chariot we've seen though. So far we have only seen warriors from them
Yeah...
We got BowAivo's graphs last turn. We can send those to you
Would you want anything other than power?
TeddyKGB
i personally think we should exchange all graphs, but DMOC is our team leader
i should ask him
i mean, LP is ur NW neighbour
YossarianLives
Well we can send you all of ours, at least. If DMOC feels comfortable with it, you can send all of yours. Power is definitely the most important one, though
TeddyKGB
DMOC is busy with midterm right now
i most sure i wanna send it to u
YossarianLives
No rush
How are things going with LP's team? Sounded like you and Arki had a little bit of a...bromance... going on in the tech thread
TeddyKGB
ok. i could tell what u probably already know:
LP put in GNP mostly, low on food and MFG
yup, I was drunk and post some stupid things
russian+vodka=crazy drunk posts
YossarianLives
Haha, but no tension between your teams then?
TeddyKGB
well, I suppose LP is out for some time
YossarianLives
Oh really?
TeddyKGB
so its up to his teammates
YossarianLives
I feel like that is his MO. He tends to disappear from team games...
TeddyKGB
I just checked, LP last login on RB was on oct,21
YossarianLives
It happened in the RB Demo Game, and also in previous Demo games at CFC
TeddyKGB
hmm, i didnt know that
maybe this game not so interested for LP
i was sure he'll play it himself from start to finish
YossarianLives
I wouldn't be too surprised if he never posts in his thread again
TeddyKGB
LP told about some reallife issues in his last msg to us tho
that msg was before oct,21 i guess
YossarianLives
Oh, well that I don't know about. Maybe it is just a temporary break he's taking
Who is left in charge on his team? If it is Arkipeller, the quality of their play is about to drop severely
No offense to Arki, he just doesn't have the same experience / skills as LP
TeddyKGB
i have no idea
didnt contact them after 'bromance' thing
we'll contact them soon i guess
YossarianLives
What's your read on M&M?
Do you know if Maga is still involved in the game?
TeddyKGB
well, Maga still reading the forum. she posted in tech thread recently
i had a crazy theory that maga and asterix is one person
YossarianLives
Yeah, I saw that. That's what made me wonder if she's still around
Is Asterix using her Maga_Civ email address?
TeddyKGB
yep
YossarianLives
Interesting...
Does anyone else up north know about the land connection to the south?
TeddyKGB
i wonder why their firewall settings is the same
YossarianLives
I'm pretty sure that BowAivo does not know about it.
Oh, I don't know anything about that kind of thing. I'm pretty bad with computers
TeddyKGB
i meant with both maga and asterix u cant login in game
while they online
i talked with India a bit
with SutOxy too, as I remember
some of them met pony already btw
so they knew before me
LP has SH, so he knew about map more than any1 else early
i'm not sure about metagame now.
what u think?
YossarianLives
Oh good point about SH. I didn't think about that
Regarding the metagame, I think that india is going to be the team to watch out for. Also Orgy if LP returns. If LP stays away, they are going to squander their good start. Well, depending on who else stays active on their team. I seem to remember they had a lot of dedlurkers, like ASM
I'm not too worried about M&M to be honest, though I don't know anything about Asterix
TeddyKGB
to tell the truth, i knew about tundra on ecuator before LP
i was a global lurker for sometime before join team
i keep that spoiler out of our thread, of
*ofc
YossarianLives
GG is going to be a huge headache for whoever they decide to rush with those praets, and then they will lose significance in the game as the age of praets passes
Oh interesting
Why did you choose the EggHeads to dedlurk?
TeddyKGB
honestly? DMOC has lowest posts count at that moment, lol
YossarianLives
I could see SuttOxy being a contender for the game, too
TeddyKGB
yep SutOxy expanded nicely
YossarianLives
lol, that's funny. Well I'm glad you joined their team. I think we have a really good thing going now between our teams
I know you have the confidentiality agreement with most teams, but can we continue to share all information with each other concerning GG?
TeddyKGB
sure, we have no deals with GG obv
YossarianLives
We don't have any confidentiality agreements besides the one with your team, and we view you as our closest allies, so I don't have a problem sharing info freely with you
TeddyKGB
as i said, we'll patroll that ice area to see any movement
glad to hear it
YossarianLives
Awesome. We'll keep an eye on the south and the west of GG borders. If we get a good opportunity, we may try sniping a worker, or especially delaying their iron mine if at all possible
TeddyKGB
you wanna OB?
YossarianLives
Yes! I've offered it twice in game but you keep declining!
TeddyKGB
i mean we have enough OB right now, even donate more
oh, i did decline once
YossarianLives
Yeah, I know you explained because we hadn't agreed on "no scouting"
TeddyKGB
ok, our TR situation is this
YossarianLives
I think I offered again after our chat, but maybe DMOC didn't know that we had agreed to that
TeddyKGB
we TR with India via roads
YossarianLives
We don't have any connections with other teams for TR yet...
TeddyKGB
with MM via India
YossarianLives
Oh wow, nice
TeddyKGB
with LP and Oxy via sea
YossarianLives
Oh damn, no wonder your GNP's are so high up north
TeddyKGB
we had to shut down some of that TR soon
YossarianLives
We're very backwards down south. We don't have any tr's yet, despite having Sailing and a lot of the southern coast unfogged. Nobody else settled on that coast!
TeddyKGB
especially if someone puts GLH
YossarianLives
I don't know how we can connect. Either a LONG road network, or else we'll both have to settle the seas in the tundra equator
I think I can guess who is working towards GLH
TeddyKGB
did u have city on northern coast?
yep me too. whats ur guess?
YossarianLives
No, our capital is our most northern city. We will be settling our next city north, but still fairly far from the sea
My guess is LP. He loves wonders, and he's the only Ind civ
TeddyKGB
have any rivers for TR?
YossarianLives
Hmm, I have to check the screenshots...
Well I need to get back to work. But I can chat later tonight if you're still around
TeddyKGB
i was thinking LP is after mids
his city not coastal so much yet
ok, last question
did Rome reseached sailing?
YossarianLives
I don't think so, but I can't be sure.
I'm pretty sure it was not one of their priorities. I need to go back and check to see what I have for them on my spreadsheet
TeddyKGB
u didnt saw sailing after u get EP enough to see their reseach?
YossarianLives
I'd have to check, but I'm pretty sure no.
TeddyKGB
i think so too
np. any screenshots u want to see from us?
YossarianLives
Ok, I really do have to go now. I'll try to catch you later, otherwise I'll just send an email with those graphs
TeddyKGB
ok, bye, nice talking with u

[Cheater Hater]

So LP's stepped back from this game more or less? Who has the most experience on their team now? I think we might have the most RB experience now, but I don't know about the other teams, and it seems like there's been some turnover since the start.

(although it appears we've been passed in the "most rocky start to a PB" category--I'm so glad I didn't end up joining PB 16 now :/ )

[YossarianLives]

I know we got off to a bit of a rough start, but I don't know where all the hate towards this game came from. I blame Caledorn, of course (and those crazy stories from Satan!)

We received this from Teddy:

Hi,

Rome moved chariot (unpromoted, but with exp) out of his borders this turn (T74). Its on southern silver tile now.
Could you tell us on which team Rome is currently spending EP?

Here is screenshot of land around your quechua from T74.

Did u see any barbs around?
India's border just expanded this turn.

I'll send your graphs we have on T75.

Regards,
TKGB