Finished the turn. Stuck with the tile micro we discussed in chat, though I don't love it. Moved the warrior to the PH. If dtay moves to the grassland tile, we'll attack. If he moves it to the grass hill we'll wardec so he can't move around it. If he stays in place, I'll wish we settled the faster horse city. I sent Nessie to the corn. Corn's +1f but +1t so I did debate improving the sheep first, but the micro's a little smoother for the second worker this way, I think. We have to do a worker after the warrior in Eden. Valhalla grows to 5 on the granary and then goes settler. Here's demos:
I think we have a lot to discuss next turn, so let me know here when you'll be around, Lewwyn.
I've got some dirt on my shoulder, can you brush it off for me?
New report to come shortly, but this chat can basically be titled one of two things:
"Light dawns on marble head" OR "We should have settled for 1st ring horses"
Quote:Lewwyn: anyway
keep calm Gaspar: im calm Lewwyn: and don't go fishing
lol Gaspar: i just want a plan Lewwyn: We can make the plan after BW Gaspar: yeah Lewwyn: I didn't want to do anythng apst that
we just can't project without it Gaspar: yeah
in fairness
this is always the place when i play normal speed
where i start to feel behind
because im still so much more used to quick Lewwyn: well everyone is where we are Gaspar: yeah, i know Lewwyn: how many people have 3 cities? Gaspar: hmm
someone has a size 6 cap
that better be angry and ready to be whipped Lewwyn: 3 pop ettler likely Gaspar: and not because they have close non-IW happy Lewwyn: look I don't see anything we could have done better except that one food snafu Gaspar: you're definitely reading me as more stressed than i am
i think we're doing fine compared to the others Lewwyn: yeah I guess so
you sounded worried Gaspar: nah Lewwyn: and stressed Gaspar: here's what you're reading Lewwyn: I"M HERE BUDDY
Lewwyn hugs Gaspar: i got lazy because you had the micro figured out
and so i got disconnected from the game a bit
and this is exactly what happened when i played with commodore in 26
and eventually i just let him drive and became a dedlurker
so im trying to make sure that doesn't happen here Lewwyn: ok good Gaspar: so i just want to make sure we're talking about the micro, even if i don't "change" anything
i want to make sure we're on the same page
so the food thing doesnt happen again
well that Lewwyn: I was going to remind you about the food thing Gaspar: and i like to make plans, so i always want to talk about plans Lewwyn: before it happened but the turn moved too fast Gaspar: yeah, this is all 100% my fault
so this is just me diagnosing and trying to fix it Lewwyn: okay
Cmon copper! Gaspar: well
except the subpar 3rd city site, that's your fault Lewwyn: I'm betting on copper being 1S of eden
on the tile we have half a road Gaspar: my guess
is either 1N of eden
or NE of clams city Lewwyn: I think we might have it NE of clams city too
like
2 coppers I mean Gaspar: yeah
thats possible
S of eden would be spectacular
this isn't super relevant Lewwyn: dtay
with an axe?
how possible is that
does he have BW? Gaspar: but do we farm NW of edens corn or 2 farms east of it?
uh he didnt have it the turn after we met him
havent checked since
checking now Lewwyn: dtay whipped
so he double moved us with a whip Gaspar: yeah, he has BW now
31 gnp for BW vs 30 for masonry
also he revolted to slavery in the log and i'm an idiot Lewwyn: 8 points of pop got whipped at once
how much is 8 points?
2 pop from 4 to 2?
2 axes? or a settler that he is sending to the two fish site? Gaspar: 8 pop points is 4 pop?
that can't be right
well lets see Lewwyn: sooo Gaspar: we have 8 pop
worth 29 points
so 3.5 points/pop
thats weird Lewwyn: from 5 to 3? Gaspar: yeah
2 whip for sure
2 whip def could be an axe
i mean it could be anything
yeah
we need to micro a chariot out as soon as horses are hooked
just in case
let me rephrase that
we need to work the micro to get a chariot as soon as horses are hooked
we don't need to actually execute it until we see a greater threat
i mean i guess its pretty straight forward Lewwyn: yes Gaspar: could get 2 really fast if need be
oh BW, you broken ass tech Lewwyn: yeah, the thing is we need to see Gaspar: yeah
anyway, we're fine
i guess the point is next turn we'll work out the next 10 or so
and fuck dtay, just on general principles Lewwyn: indeed
fuck him Gaspar: i mean
ill log in before then to make sure he doesnt double move
so we can ask for the reload during the day if he does Lewwyn: well I think he knows now
that we're basically at war Gaspar: yeah Lewwyn: based on him logging out this turn Gaspar: well plus i cant wait that long to see where copper is Lewwyn: np Gaspar: but yeah
just let me know tomorrow when you're good to play Lewwyn: fix the sandbox w=once we know copper Gaspar: yeah
im like 3/4 fixed
its more that im only played through t19 i might be too lazy to catch that up :P
but i have the south and west all done
just have to tidy up the north Lewwyn: cool Gaspar: looks like he just played now heh Lewwyn: ooph
ok
I've got a bit of time Gaspar: yeah, ill wait for him to log of course Lewwyn: btw
you got sammy watkins Gaspar: yeah
but thats a ton to give up
but sammy watkins is pretty great Lewwyn: yeah
he's amazing
might be my 2nd favorite player in the draft Gaspar: after whoever the eagles took? (not sure why i dont remember already)
i actually watched the 1st round today, first time ive done that ina ges Lewwyn: they got marcus smith Gaspar: oh yeah Lewwyn: who is terrific OLB and I think a great pick
a lot of fans are complaining that they could have got him later
2nd round or something
but Gaspar: yeah Lewwyn: he's at a premium position Gaspar: but with that defense
pass rushers were your biggest need Lewwyn: and they didn't have anyone to trade back with again
exactly
and he's 3rd best OLB left Gaspar: yeah
i was right Lewwyn: clowney>Barr>smith tho soe say attchou is about par with smith Gaspar: copper NE of clam site Lewwyn: but smith is less of a project
NE clam eh?
no S of eden? Gaspar: nope
so
he moved to the grassland Lewwyn: well fuck Gaspar: do we take the 50/50 shot? Lewwyn: yes
we risk it I think
wait
hmmm
he could get exp
or he could die
its basically our whole micro depends on winning Gaspar: yeah Lewwyn: what do you want to do Gaspar: well
heres the thing Lewwyn: how long does fishing take Gaspar: if we dont kill him
then hes gonna sit on the gfh
and be a pain in the balls to dislodge with woody1, we'll havve to get an axe done Lewwyn: well he's got to go to the plains hill first right? Gaspar: no
he goes to forest next turn Lewwyn: no thats in our culture Gaspar: you're saying that
like he cant wardec lol Lewwyn: he would have to attack our warrior Gaspar: warrior is on ph
obviously
if we dont attack
we move back there yes Lewwyn: right so we move our warior to the forest
then he has to move to the PH
then we get the warrior we build this turn by sacrificing our granary micor
and move that warrior to the forest hill
thats just an option I'm throughing out
throwing Gaspar: yeah
i mean by that same logic
we could attack
even if we die hes sure to be heavily damaged
then crash the warrior this turn
so if he moves in Lewwyn: but will he get enough exp to get woody 2 Gaspar: he dies
even woody2 if he's at 1.0
odds are strongly in our favor Lewwyn: so you want to attack? Gaspar: well
im on the fence Lewwyn: I mean it would make me so joyful Gaspar: im just presenting all the options Lewwyn: to win that battle and then just not worry about it Gaspar: yeah
i mean
the advantage here
is these are the best odds we're going to have until we get a stronger unit done
the downside is if he kills us
we're scrambling Lewwyn: so
the question is
Do you feel lucky punk?
Well?
Do ya? Gaspar: heh
i mean coinflip is coinflip Lewwyn: lets do it
its not like we're attacking out of our empty city Gaspar: hows your rng? Lewwyn: like TT
yours is better than mine
I think Gaspar: i know!
we attack Lewwyn: I mean I did kill an infantry at 11% odds Gaspar: and if we lose
we say we misclicked and ask for reload Lewwyn: hahaha
okay lets do it
we'll never get better odds Gaspar: yeah
it is foolish
like the safe play
is move back to forest
then move to ghf
let him sit on gf Lewwyn: ok Gaspar: if he moves to pig
we double team
but Lewwyn: you want to do safe?
I mean we could do that
it wouldn't effect our micro actually
and we wait until we get the axe
lets just be safe
we can't settle double fish before clam (and copper) anyway Gaspar: the question of course
is just how far away Lewwyn: move to the forest hill Gaspar: the whipped axe is :P Lewwyn: his or ours? Gaspar: well your city gets copper without settling clams, remember Lewwyn: oh it does?
I"M A GENIUS Gaspar: oddly enough
i think the events of the last few turns
have proven me right :P Lewwyn: in what?
nahhh we're fine Gaspar: because the "horses are only hooked 3t faster" argument
is shit when 3t faster chariots makes a difference :P Lewwyn: lets move to the forest hill
if he moves in we wait on the forest hill
and we wait for him to move to the pigs
then the warrior completes on the interun
and we kill it Gaspar: hes not moving to the pigs
hes going to sit on the forest
until his axe gets here Lewwyn: if he doesn't, even better Gaspar: meh
this is all too pb16 for me Lewwyn: we'll see Gaspar: fucking dtay
gavagai 2.0 Lewwyn: seriously let him sit there
on that forest Gaspar: LET ME BUILD MY SANDCASTLES IN PEACE
(for the first 100t or so, then ill go kill you)
ill tell you what i really dont want to see
a skirm Lewwyn: well
that would be bad
but
what is dtay's leadre again? Gaspar: fdr Lewwyn: that would mean he teched archery Gaspar: sure
i mean one would assume hes going to head towards glh
fishing is 3t btw Lewwyn: great
so Gaspar: comes in on 80% Lewwyn: safe or attack? Gaspar: so that means 240... so 2t of 70 and 1t of 100
man
i really want to attack
but safe is the smart play
i just worry
i dont like to send out the passive signal
i dunno how much he knows about our respective reputations Lewwyn: okay I'm flipping a coin
heads we attack Gaspar: lol Lewwyn: it came up tails
lets go safe Gaspar: lol Lewwyn: move to the forested hill Gaspar: well
doesnt it make more sense
to move to the forest first
make him take 2t to get to the forest Lewwyn: oh
Sent at 1:35 AM on Friday Lewwyn: anyway here's what we're doing with the worker in the south
move and finish the road south of eden
Nessie farms corn in north
cap keeps working the same tiles and eden does too
we scout with the scouts Gaspar: we're not roading the corn first? Lewwyn: the south warrior will come up and help rd/pasture the horses
worker I mean
you want to get that horse done as fast as possible no? Gaspar: yeah i guess Lewwyn: I am willing to waste a couple turns to do it
if it means even 1t faster on the horses
the road south to gems can wait Gaspar: yeah i guess
its not like IW is coming soon Lewwyn: I will work out the full micor plan later, but for now finishing the road
and getting on the road network to move quickly to the horse is good enough
the tiles are all the same for teh cities
ooph Gaspar: ? Lewwyn: we might want to wait to swap into slavery until the turn the borders pop
for cocksucker Gaspar: lol Lewwyn: anyway that should cover it
update teh sandbox and send it to me and I'll give thoughts on the full plan later
I need to go do stuff Gaspar: yeah np Lewwyn: I don't think there's anything else we need Gaspar: so warrior to forest -> gfh next turn? Lewwyn: yes Gaspar: k Lewwyn: I'm reallly getting that dtay's whip is not axes but a settler he's going to try and settle at double fish
that's my feel Gaspar: well
there's gonna be trouble in that case Lewwyn: yeah
well
lets deal with it when it comes Gaspar: gonna be hard to take Lewwyn: whip 4 chariots and fuck him Gaspar: hill plant
assume skirms Lewwyn: ugh skirms Gaspar: yeah, basically we have to kill it right away Lewwyn: tech early cats and HAs Gaspar: but you're right
this warrior is here
to stall us Lewwyn: aye Gaspar: while he slams a settler down
fuck
i hate civ Lewwyn: did you move already Gaspar: i did Lewwyn: okay
its better this way
if we attack
and lose
he can sit outside out borders and heal up
and slam the settler down anyway
and we're down a warrior
its TOO much of a risk Gaspar: yeah, i know Lewwyn: I blame all of this on our scout dying t8
FUCK CIV Gaspar: yeah, asically
i guess
the option we havent considered
what if we crash the warrior this turn
then we can move him to ghf
and he basically has to retreat or we 2 for 1 him Lewwyn: well thats the option I threw out at the beginning of this convo Gaspar: yeah
then we stopped thinking about it
so throwing it back out there Lewwyn: but if there's a settler coming
it might be worth it Gaspar: yeah
heres my thought
we do that
we follow his warrior back if he retreats
point being
hes going to have to bring force with the settler in this case
which buys us time to build chariots
downside Lewwyn: we could chop the forest Gaspar: we're wasting a lot of time on this
but its gotta be closer to us Lewwyn: and get the granary finsihed on time Gaspar: and im not letting him plant a 2x fish + sheep + fp city in our face
plus those 2 peaks
will give him vision on way too much
yeah
we have to crash the warrior and take initiative back
theres never anything worse in civ
than being on the back foot
back foot = lose
its like losing tempo in hearthstone Lewwyn: so chop that forst with the south worker
and finsih the granary early
so that we don't worry about the avoid growth or the other stuff Gaspar: the worker who just roaded
chops the forest SE of valhalla next turn? Lewwyn: next turn we move the south worker onto the forest and start chopping Gaspar: yeah
that works Lewwyn: yes
we need to chop it anyway
because we want to cottage that so hard Gaspar: it takes the cottage
eden takes phm Lewwyn: yes
finsih the warrior
he moves PH
we move forest hill
we move both forward Gaspar: yeah Lewwyn: chase him back Gaspar: if he sits the warrior on ph
we 2 for 1 him Lewwyn: kill it Gaspar: because tempo > card advantage
clearly this is arena Lewwyn: okay
you set? Gaspar: ALL ROADS LEAD TO HEARTHSTONE
yeah, sold Lewwyn: you got it all set?
okay
I've gotta go to the dentist
first time in 2 years Gaspar: yeesh Lewwyn: fuck me Gaspar: sorry man
fuck you indeed
erm
you know what i meant
lol Lewwyn: bye
XD Gaspar: later
I've got some dirt on my shoulder, can you brush it off for me?
(Just recently discovered this song - I'm a sucker for anything electronic and slow tempo with a thin female voice. No idea why.)
Anyway, if you're too lazy to read the long-ass chat above, dtay moved his warrior to the grassland tile. We were originally going to take the 50/50 but then talked ourselves out of it as we slowly realized this was a portent to an incoming settler. So we did some ugly stuff:
We moved the warrior back to grass forest. This means he'll have to attack at bad odds or move to the plains hill. We crashed the warrior in Eden, which meant many bad micro decisions. He'll be born next turn and move to the grass forest hill before dtay can get there. At that point he can either retreat, or we send both at his warrior. Its bad play all around, but I just don't want to play another game where I'm behind on tempo forever. Anyway, one way or another, he's going to have to earn the desert hill fish plant. We're prioritizing getting horses connect and chariot(s) out even if it means some sacrifices I don't want to make. Next turn the worker S of Eden moves to the forest SE of Valhalla and starts chopping for the Granary. Pre-math chops into non-wonders at the capital suck, but these are the decisions you have to make when you're playing to stay in the initiative. Anyway, long story short, that's what we're doing.
Nothing interesting in the south but a barb warrior spawned near the western exploration...
I don't think that will impact our plans too much, but we'll keep an eye out for it.
Any questions?
Tech set to 40%, not 70% because I'm slightly less dumb once given time to consider things.
I've got some dirt on my shoulder, can you brush it off for me?
Keeping on with the Hearthstone analogy, tempo doesn't matter that much when you 2-1 a opponent 2-drop only to get a 8-drop thrown at you in the next turn, with no counter in your hand (the card you are going to draw 5 turns from now doesn't count... You shouldn't have taken Arcane Intellect from your deck).
Keep in mind this has no spoilers considering the current situation, since I haven't even read dtay's thread or the lurker thread (I only wanted to read other players opponent analysis, for the most part).
(May 9th, 2014, 09:01)Ichabod Wrote: Keeping on with the Hearthstone analogy, tempo doesn't matter that much when you 2-1 a opponent 2-drop only to get a 8-drop thrown at you in the next turn, with no counter in your hand (the card you are going to draw 5 turns from now doesn't count... You shouldn't have taken Arcane Intellect from your deck).
Keep in mind this has no spoilers considering the current situation, since I haven't even read dtay's thread or the lurker thread (I only wanted to read other players opponent analysis, for the most part).
The lesson as always, Mage sucks.
Quickish report here. dtay moved as expected, so we also moved as expected:
Hopefully, he retreats. If not, we pray to the RNG gods and take the 2 for 1.
Astute observers will note from that screenshot that we've met The Black Sword. It was his scout - somehow still alive AND unpromoted on t44. DAMN YOU LIONS. Anyway, his scout will retreat or we will kill it.
I've got some dirt on my shoulder, can you brush it off for me?
I just want to say I'm highly entertained by the Hearthstone analogies!
Gaspar Wrote:back foot = lose
its like losing tempo in hearthstone smile
Oh man, you're reminding me of when I first started playing arena. I'd try to make plays like holding onto Hellfire when the opponent had 2 creatures out and not playing creatures of my own yet... because I could get more card value for it that way! And then all my games would end with me running out of life just before I was about to stabilize and turn the game around.
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