AT loves it when a plan comes together!! [Spoilers]

[AutomatedTeller]

btw - how does no tech brokering work? I can ask Jowy for alpha, but I can't ask him for monarchy and I can't give him anything back. I didn't think to see if I could give Commodore anything....

[NobleHelium]

No Tech Brokering means that you cannot trade away any tech that you did not research yourself.

[AutomatedTeller]

does that mean I can't trade MC cause I popped it from a hut and didn't research it? I guess that also means Jowy can't trade Monarchy, cause he popped it?

that's kind of interesting... Mebbe I shouldn't be researching alpha.

[NobleHelium]

You cannot trade MC because you popped it from a hut, correct.

[AutomatedTeller]

I did, btw, whip the archer into NCIS.

Builds:

Archer->Settler in NYPD Blue
Archer->overflows into worker in NCIS.
Spear->Settler in ATeam
Dog->WB->granary in MASH
Granary->WB->Lib in The OC. Might just be granary->WB.

As I think about it, I think the worker build in NCIS should be to a settler. Nice thing about Collosus is that I don't really need a lot of worker to start a city off - improve a food, whip in a granary and a lighthouse and away we go. I think adding cities is more important than loading up on workers, especially since several cities have just need workboats.

[AutomatedTeller]

Civstats tells the tale of alpha being researched - I went from 1st to 4th in score from the trading. Not that score is terribly important yet. Commodore traded for the techs he didn't have. As did TT.




2metra has HR:



Demos:



the victory screen:

note that jowy has the most pop and land - land isn't surprising, being creative. Pop is a little surprising, considering commodore is up 2 cities.

[AutomatedTeller]

Back to techs:

Are bulbed techs tradeable? How about free techs from Oracle and Liberalism? I presume techs from The Internet are not tradeable, not that I expect this game to last that long.

Short term, I'm a little hosed, in that everyone but me has made a tech trade.

That's ok, since it makes me look like less of a target. That might change when I nearly double my city count in the next 15 turns, but for now, it's fine.

[MindyMcCready]

does that mean I can't trade MC cause I popped it from a hut and didn't research it? I guess that also means Jowy can't trade Monarchy, cause he popped it?

that's kind of interesting... Mebbe I shouldn't be researching alpha.

What???? Jowy popped Monarchy!

So there goes the foundation of our peaceful builder assumption. And,.... the double move bat signal and,....the uptick in Jowy posts. Sounds like we had a near miss. Can I get my chokepoint now?

Impressive moves by the way, but let's not try those too often.

We had concluded that Jowy bulbed Monarchy. So did he build the academy after all? Either way, just glad that he didn't bulb Construction way back then. He seems to be teching pretty well.

Jowy: Not the builder we assumed, and possibly opportunistic, but not currently on a war footing thank goodness.

As for Alphabet,...well you're already invested. I don't want to be reliant on the 'haves' to initiate tech trading on their terms. Still, the minute that a second civ has a tech reserched, the value of that tech should drop to near zero as the prisonner's dilemna should apply. So if you keep going with Alphabet, the second you get it sell it to everyone for whatever you can get for it.

[AutomatedTeller]

yeah - he popped monarchy. You can't bulb monarchy with a scientist. I'm certain he made an academy - in fact, I think he traded for math, though I'm not positive of that.

With tech brokering, things are a little different. Jowy is still the only person who can trade alpha, so as long as he doesn't meet azza or cornflakes, I'll be able to get something for it. I"m hoping he goes north - I didn't show it, but he didn't meet azza last turn - azza, in fact, went south to the tundra area.

Jowy does have a lot of power, which is worrisome, but then, ours is growing, too.


I should mention that, in fact, Jowy made the whole thing irrelevant. He went first and kept exploring. I did whip the archer anyway, but let the worker finish the chop.

I'll post some more pics tonight, as I see what the tech situation is after Jowy's latest round of trading...

[MindyMcCready]

With tech brokering, things are a little different.

I should mention that, in fact, Jowy made the whole thing irrelevant. He went first and kept exploring. I did whip the archer anyway, but let the worker finish the chop.

I'll post some more pics tonight, as I see what the tech situation is after Jowy's latest round of trading...

About the tech brokering thing: yeah I was thinking about that on the train last night. I've never really seen this type of game play out. The economic theory says that you should be selling at Marginal Cost, and marginal cost of a tech is generally zero once you've already got it and you essentially have an unlimited supply. So sell to everyone at zero.

But of course, you'd never sell a tech at zero or even 1 gold. So I was asking myself "why not?". Well the other civs are your customers but they're also your competition. So the marginal cost to you of selling the tech is them closing the gap in power/tech/score. Which of course is why you'd sell at different prices to each of your competition - the marginal cost to you is different if the opponent is at the bottom of the scoreboard relative to the top. Haha, to blab further, you'd sell to the superpower of the game at a low price since them getting a tech which reduces your chance of winning from 1% to 0.9% so low marginal cost to your chances of winning the game.

I'm rambling like this because I don't have any pictures or update from you. (and its kind of intereting to watch it play out).

Of course, I haven't got inot the oligolopy situation we're going to face with Alphabet. Please post soon so I can spare you!