A new mod enters the ring - Introducing "Close to Home"

[Mjmd]

I know there has been a little bit of a "buff" industrious bug, but honestly I think it is in a good place. A lot of people think about it, but only 1 person actually wants it as it then has diminishing returns. You end up having a good shot of being part creative and popping a prophet for potential shrine with stonehenge. Or you can go for Oracle.

[Thoth]

I know there has been a little bit of a "buff" industrious bug, but honestly I think it is in a good place. A lot of people think about it, but only 1 person actually wants it as it then has diminishing returns. You end up having a good shot of being part creative and popping a prophet for potential shrine with stonehenge. Or you can go for Oracle

That's a big part of the problem with the trait right there: it's value decreases depending on how many Ind players there are. I do not think this is good design.

[civac2]

Just enable fail gold again and Industrious is good enough.

[Amicalola]

If we buff Industrious (I'm not sure that it needs it), I would prefer something less 'gamey' than fail-gold.

[AutomatedTeller]

Maybe add a hammer to the city center at some size? have citizen specialists give 2 hammers? Have workers be more efficient (like steam power or Hagia sophia, but stacking)?

[T-hawk]

That's a big part of the problem with the trait right there: it's value decreases depending on how many Ind players there are. I do not think this is good design.

I'm a nonparticipating observer in the mod, but I would call that a strength rather than a problem. It's fine to have a trait whose value changes with such circumstances. That adds a layer of interesting interactions for the various civ-picking procedures.

Financial does the same thing the other way around - it's more valuable with more Fin players, since each of them will get more trade route commerce. (To a very slight degree and probably not something anyone would ever notice, but it shows there's nothing wrong with the principle that traits change in value based on others possessing them.)

[Charriu]

I'm sorry, but what is the connection between FIN and trade commerce? The trait only affects tiles

[mackoti]

If we buff Industrious (I'm not sure that it needs it), I would prefer something less 'gamey' than fail-gold.

Actualy failing gold takes alot of planning, and losing for that time the hammers which will be used in other direction. I s not a simply decision and gives more choiches as a game, but Krill and other just wanted a simply game spam cottages and there you go.. so was removed. I remember i argued against it then, and I do now.

[T-hawk]

If a city has more commerce in total, doesn't that factor in to trade route yield? (Or not, if I'm rusty enough to misremember that.)

[Charriu]

No the only factors for trade route yield are population and distance between cities