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So I heard a rumor that Nyanian explorers have discovered valuable information under the ruins near Powerthirst. What was the information?
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Get ready for giant muscley men spraying menergy everywhere. pindicator Wrote:@sunrise. He's heading east. I still have no plans to settle any further west than I have. Personally, if you want to call the entire area between our established cities off-limits I'd be okay with that. Or one of us takes a coastal city and the other an inland city? I know it's been said before, but it doesn't make for the easiest division of land here. @pindicator - I've pondered how to respond to this. I feel we have pretty good relations considering the game settings. I've tried to help you meet other civs, and we've both acted honorably during that process. You also may have seen in the thread that I tried to negotiate peaceful border deals with Rome and Mali and kept my end of the deal. So that said, the last thing I want to do is some sort of in-your-face land grab and ask forgiveness later. On the other hand, we have each others demographics, so we know you're in a very strong position. I don't know what your combat history has been, but I know you have a good military and lots of land to develop. Nothing wrong with that, and I've tried to do much the same. Still, while I don't know how far your border city with me is to your capital, I know it's pretty close to mine. Calling all the land between our cities off limits would remove city plants as close as five tiles to my capital. Ultimately then what I plan to do is this: I'm going to plant a coastal city. It won't have any overlap with your border city. I'm also going to plant another city quite a bit further north. I'd have not thought that city would impact you, but your land covers a lot of area  I hope you won't take either of these as aggressive plants. On my end I'll keep the land in line between our current border cities open. I think this should pretty much set our border. Of course I don't exactly how far north and east your land goes, and just how the final China/Mali/Egypt/Lewwyn(?) border will look. In any case, the two cities mentioned above are the only things I'll be in position to plant in your direction for quite a while.I look forward to any reply.
April 7th, 2012, 19:47
(This post was last modified: April 7th, 2012, 20:31 by Lord Parkin.)
 Nicolae Carpathia Wrote:The secrets to an ancient vessel of powerActually, what we discovered was an alternative formula for the drink.  [Warning: explicit and NSFW]
@sunrise. I'm really disappointed that you decided the best course of action was to ask to negotiate and then use that as a ruse to settle a city in my face. If this is how you "tried to negotiate peaceful borders" with Rome and Mali I can see why they're both talking about dogpiling you now. You're right: we did have pretty good relations. But I see what those are worth to you. I'd ask where you're going to settle this northern city, but it's obvious how open to negotiating you really are.
And really, cut the crap with all your attempts to obfuscate the demographics. You're starting to sound just as bad as one of Lord Parkin's "Look at everybody but me!" routines. Yes, you're right. I have strong demographics. I'm even tops in land area. I haven't been given wet corn and riverside metal happiness to start the game like some people, but I've done all right with the hand I was dealt. At least I own up to it and don't try to point out every other demographic when I get accused. Oh, I logged in to see where you settled this wonderful city and couldn't help but notice Rival Best in crop yield had edged up to 126. Took a look at civ stats to see who played between when I first checked at 5:30 and when I took a look at your city. And unless you're going to try to convince me it's plako's whipping that got him to top in the crop yield... God dammit, now i'm getting myself worked up. You want a friendly relationship in this game or do you awnt enemies on all borders? Your choice sunrise.
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@pindicator - I've not played enough with you to know your in- or out-of-game style and my lack of reporting on most games may mean you're not too familiar with mine. If
pindicator Wrote:You want a friendly relationship in this game or do you awnt enemies on all borders?is an openness to normalizing/re-normalizing relations then I'm certainly for it. Other than that, without wanting to go down the road of anger or insults (I played a LoL game between reading your post and typing this reply...probably the right call for me), your post contains some points which to my eyes are errors or falsehoods. I don't want to go "quote->counter-point" because I think that comes off as very aggressive, but I guess here are some thoughts... *I didn't negotiate as any sort of ruse. I think that's obvious because I didn't really even negotiate. I asked you your thoughts, and then followed up when I spotted a settler in a city that was already planted up on me. I certainly didn't do anything along the lines of "hey man, don't plant yet so we can discuss things [sunrise plant]." Now, I also didn't ask permission or even give you warning on the settling, but come on, we're all human. Telling a guy with a settler in the area where and when you're settling is just asking to get blocked. You've said your general settling plans were to the east, you said the settler was going east, and my own city doesn't contest any of your tiles tiles. Assuming everything you said was honest I can only guess my city is offensive because... *...it's in your face....five tiles from my capital. Come on man! I'm hardily a powergamer, or a civ expert. I don't expect to win this game. But there's a difference between trying to have fun and be nice in a game and bending over. I wasn't in position, diplomatically or militarily, to try to kill your border city when I spotted it. I'm not blind though. I can spot a civ settling up on me, notice that they did it with no warning, and then see they're probably repeating the same process over and over as their land area is exploding. I was in RBP4 after all, I've seen a farmers gambit. When you're on the receiving end, and the offer of the guy planting up on you when you discuss borders is to either have Egypt not plant any cities in its first/second ring in a certain direction or otherwise cede half the land in the border area, I don't think it's a dick move to plant my cities that close to my capital without outside consent. *I didn't "try" to negotiate borders with Mali and Rome. Mali proposed a city spot for me. Despite being IMP I agreed and settled on that exact spot. I've not done one hostile thing to Mali before or since save reminding one of their players about the existing deal when he suggested he had forgotten. As far as Rome goes, I was prepared to make what I considered an aggressive plant at them, justified IMHO due to their early physical and diplo aggression towards me, but Rome was willing to offer a peaceful settling deal too. I was glad to follow it, and have done so. If they're trying to dog-pile me now I'm either badly misreading their public posts or there's some sort of secret deal being made outside the thread  Or, is "we don't want to hand sunrise the game" an example of a dogpile plan due to my anger at my diplomacy?  *It's true you owned up to having top land area. I honestly didn't know that was you, though obviously you were a good possibility. But I don't think I've been full of crap either. I've never lied about my demos. No I'm not going to deliberately draw attention to them, but that's pretty normal, isn't it? I don't think I've pointed out other demos to try to throw off people accusing me...nor do I think that would work. I was asked about my GDP a few dozen turns ago, and answered honestly that it was high but not tops. Anyways, the charts pretty clearly show you ahead of me in GNP (close), production (not close), food (close), and power (close). Land area is not close - you dominate me there. Now have I made more GDP so far than you? Yeah, the area under my curve is bigger. But right now we're pretty even (my GNP is back above yours in the demos (the charts lag like two turns?) running very unsustainable binary research and my crop yield passed you when planting my new city), and you have way more land, and my civ has almost filled in every open city spot. If the biggest threat is the civ who was dominant in the past then come at me. If the threat is the person with the best chance to win going forward, I think the demos and metagame put me in 4th place. *Finally, I will quote one other thing: Quote:You're right: we did have pretty good relations. But I see what those are worth to you. They're actually worth quite a lot to me. They were worth enough for instance for me to front-load help to you, and keep doing it even after I spotted your border city. If I've committed an unpardonable sin to you...well that's your call to make. If you can convince my other neighbors working with you to crush me is ultimately in their best interest...well, that's a skill the same as worker micro or tile management. If you want to go one-on-one, I can't stop you either. I think we're both aware enough to know that anything short of a very decisive war will hurt both sides. You know my power level and I know yours. You may also know while I've never won an RB MP event I've definitely eliminated some other players from them. Anyways, you can make my life very difficult in-game. I can probably make yours somewhat difficult too. My hope is that further reflection will make my alleged crimes against you seem forgivable. Barring that I hope you were gambling I wouldn't push back at all as you peacefully expanded right up to my borders, and then when I pushed back a bit you wanted to try to bully me into submitting. If either of those things are true I hold no ill will. We can go back to working together when it makes sense, and acting sensibly in this thread (for instance, I appreciate you not going out of your way to try to rally people again my civ, and I hope you notice I've not gone out of my way to advertise every notable thing China has done to the group either). If calling the scouting help debt paid or paying some sort of small payment in-game (if that's legal via the no gifting rules) can make things right, I'll definitely consider it. If not...well...I guess the turn reports will be more interesting
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