October 27th, 2011, 02:25
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There is also this thing from Paradox
http://www.paradoxplaza.com/games/warloc...the-arcane
which seems to be a 4x kind of game and use Civ 5 engine. Hard to tell what the result will be, Paradox does not release many TBS games in general, and I can't remember them releasing a 4x one ever.
October 27th, 2011, 08:38
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I dunno about the Stardock game but Paradox games usually have a Paradox feel by which I mean some sort of mind crushing depth with heavy diplo emphasis...
If they could make something more easy to jump into, that might be fun. I dunno, it usually takes a while for someone to develop a spiritual successor to Civ. Just look at MoO, the first game I played that had the same spirit was SotS. Gal Civ was kinda just a kinda dull colonization fest and SE is just SE.
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October 27th, 2011, 14:16
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antisocialmunky Wrote:I dunno about the Stardock game but Paradox games usually have a Paradox feel by which I mean some sort of mind crushing depth with heavy diplo emphasis...
If they could make something more easy to jump into, that might be fun. I dunno, it usually takes a while for someone to develop a spiritual successor to Civ. Just look at MoO, the first game I played that had the same spirit was SotS. Gal Civ was kinda just a kinda dull colonization fest and SE is just SE.
Spiritual successor implies to me a continuation of theme and the feelings the player gets while playing the game, rather than a continuation of mechanics. At the same time however, if you don't nail the mechanics, your theme doesn't matter.
If you wanted a spiritual successor to CIV I think you'd have to lay it out on the table, cut it up into a little bits, and try to explain why each part is in the game, how it impacts the overall experience, and the magnitude of it's effects.
I don't think I've ever seen anyone do that in a positive way. Most of time you only see one piece or another getting picked apart (See CIV V's Happiness or Combat model) in the context of trying to explain why a game is bad.
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October 27th, 2011, 14:36
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The theme is civ 4 gives you interesting decisions and civ 5 doesn't. I think that translates directly into mechanics. Tile yields matter in civ 4, so I actually enjoy any game aspect that revolves around them. Etc., etc.
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October 27th, 2011, 14:49
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Someone get a respectable university to offer a Ph.D and I'm sure you'll get a couple of worthwhile dissertations on the matter.
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October 27th, 2011, 15:03
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Krill Wrote:Someone get a respectable university to offer a Ph.D and I'm sure you'll get a couple of worthwhile dissertations on the matter.
That's at *least* 10 years off. There are some top-tier unis here stateside that offer decent game-design programs (depending upon who you talk to, [University of Southern California] is the one I know about), but even those programs are focused more around the "making" rather than the "analyzing".
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October 27th, 2011, 22:12
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I have to admit my last post was poor... I need to point out that I meant to say when this thread gets desticked and booted to the middle of the 3rd page or so; instead of locked.  With new conent of civ5 being unlikely I think this should happen and have a new "civ tidbits" thread opened.
I really don't have hopes for stardock making a good 4x game after the last gal civ 2 exp pack (evil civs not expanding!) and elemental. I think the SINS game is okay but does not count as 4x game. That paradox game looks very intertisting and I am glad I know about it now.
October 27th, 2011, 23:15
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I'm sure there has to be some realpolitik game theory thing that is tangentally teaching that.
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October 28th, 2011, 08:16
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Some belated comments on the Civ V video (nice writeup, Sullla; it brought back some fond memories):
The thing I found most off-putting about the Civ V video was the lack of synchronization between the characters' mouths and their speech. Probably an "uncanny valley" thing, since I don't mind much worse lip synching in a cartoon that doesn't try to be so realistic.
When I was playing the demo, I thought this lack of sync was just due to my computer being below specs for the game, but it's just as bad in the Youtube video Sullla linked.
And am I the only one who thought the son who is taking over the empire bears a more than passing resemblance to Jon Shafer?
October 28th, 2011, 09:17
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There hasn't been a proper successor to Civ 4 because Civ 4 is already perfect and can't be superseded.
Seriously, Civ 4 really has raised the bar so high that it may be impossible to ever duplicate. Firaxis had the resources and time for a massive amount of testing and feedback before the release, on a scale that may literally never happen again in a commercial game. Deep strategy games of the future will come from labor-of-love creators, like Dwarf Fortress and Minecraft, not commercial studios.
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