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Well no, catwalk is saying that he wants the other guy to end turn without whipping it, after which he, catwalk, will whip it. So in other words he is 100% going to whip it. Meanwhile catwalk is saying the same situation applies to his opponent.
In catwalk's position I'd even consider if whipping immediately is good, as it might discourage an opponent from risking 6 pop for nothing.
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Six pop is probably worth risking in a 50/50 shot to win the tie. And I think the only way Zanth would know there could be a tie is if Catwalk does whip, since Zanth (according to Catwalk) does not have visibility on the city where Catwalk is building it and can't be sure how long it will take for him to complete it otherwise. Catwalk was definitely camping the timer, he finally ended turn after Zanth did. But it doesn't look like he even whipped Taj after all that, I don't see a three pop whip in civstats. So I guess that means he'll probably want to camp next turn, too, for maximum advantage.
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(May 19th, 2014, 05:31)spacetyrantxenu Wrote: Six pop is probably worth risking in a 50/50 shot to win the tie. And I think the only way Zanth would know there could be a tie is if Catwalk does whip, since Zanth (according to Catwalk) does not have visibility on the city where Catwalk is building it and can't be sure how long it will take for him to complete it otherwise. Catwalk was definitely camping the timer, he finally ended turn after Zanth did. But it doesn't look like he even whipped Taj after all that, I don't see a three pop whip in civstats. So I guess that means he'll probably want to camp next turn, too, for maximum advantage.
He's finishing it naturally next turn so there is no need to camp.
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Well, I sure didn't expect someone to observe that their opponent could whip Taj next turn and yet decide not to whip it this turn themselves. 
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(May 20th, 2014, 04:40)SevenSpirits Wrote: Well, I sure didn't expect someone to observe that their opponent could whip Taj next turn and yet decide not to whip it this turn themselves.
How does it go? Analyze the process, not the results? Either way, good for Catwalk to challenge the tech leaders in chasing Taj. That should extend the game a bit as long as Catwalk spends some of the GA building his power and if he can kick the Jowy habit soon.
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(May 20th, 2014, 13:53)Jowy Wrote: Yuris is 1T teching Construction. I need to move RIGHT NOW. That next tech better not be 1T Engineering.
+ 8 axes and 2 Impi from Blight + whatever units are still on the way.
Yuris shouldn't have vision on that tile. (Bold mine)
Yuri DOES have vision on that tile and will see the whole stack sitting there if he looks. The tile Jowy needed to rally his troops on is 1 tile south of where that stack is. Yuri couldn't see that tile even though it's on a hill because it's behind another tile on a hill (the city square). I think both of the hill tiles at the edge of Yuri's territory grant vision onto that tile, although I'm not setting up a test. That's something Jowy probably should have done if he's about to march 50+ units in on somebody. He's given away the element of surprise for a lack of a roaded hill tile and 2 minutes in world builder. Although I'm sure Yuri won't be surprised at all anyway, given previous interactions.
Tough timing for Jowy. If Yuri isn't already on the way to Engineering he won't be far from it, and attacking at the start of a golden age? Unless Yuri just swapped out of slavery that seems like a terrible time to attack someone with the production bonus and the likelihood of the enemy swapping into even more favorable civics. That part isn't Jowy's fault, but I think he waited too long to pull the trigger on this one. Anyway, I think this invasion is going to end up looking kind of like the one he did against AT in PB9. Initial success against an unprepared enemy (that part remains to be seen, although Yuri's power graph doesn't look like he's ready*) followed by a failure to keep building units (remains to be seen if Jowy learned his lesson about that), followed by the front collapsing and an ignominious retreat for home.
Or I could be totally wrong about Jowy's performance, he could do fine against Yuri on the offensive and still be totally boned. It seems from Catwalk's thread that he's determined to draft maces during a golden age and beat Jowy over the head with them. If Jowy attacks Yuri I would expect Catwalk to wait for the first real battle and then attack when Jowy is totally committed. Catwalk should have enough information to be able to make that call just by seeing the war declaration and biding his time. At that point even if he is foolishly going in with maces he should meet light resistance. I have a feeling this is all about to go horribly awry for Jowy, and the part where Catwalk piles in will be what he has earned through his aggressive diplo play. Gotta learn to play nice in the sandbox sometimes.
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/prognostication
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You have just written more than the guys playing the game have reported in a month.
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I'm telling you, I'm going to win this game!
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Looking at that picture, I think the tile you've suggested he stage on instead is visible from the tile SESE of it, since it's on a hill.
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