RBPB3 - Gandhi of the Egyptians

[Krill]

Chat with Ilios. The France guys haven't done much scouting, having met no one but the HRE...they are saving gold already, which is good, but not heard anything else which makes me enthuse about them as players.

(6:45:44 PM) dim.civ@gmail.com/gmail.1EC5A8D5: chatting with France...
(6:45:49 PM) Krill: cool
(6:45:54 PM) Krill: if you need anything, I'm right here
(6:46:30 PM) dim.civ@gmail.com/gmail.1EC5A8D5: i can't believe it, but they haven't even met other teams yet...
(6:46:37 PM) Krill: Bloody hell
(6:46:46 PM) Krill: Lurkers must be laughing their arses off
(6:47:10 PM) dim.civ@gmail.com/gmail.1EC5A8D5: yeah, not only at them
(7:01:14 PM) dim.civ@gmail.com/gmail.1EC5A8D5: ah he's back online, but i really need to go
(7:01:28 PM) Krill: oh well
(7:02:13 PM) dim.civ@gmail.com/gmail.1EC5A8D5: good he'll be around in an hour
(7:02:21 PM) Krill: cya then, if you are back, mate
(7:02:40 PM) dim.civ@gmail.com/gmail.1EC5A8D5: later
(7:44:25 PM) dim.civ@gmail.com/gmail.1EC5A8D5: ok i've told him the members
(7:44:55 PM) Krill: Lets see what happens...
(7:44:56 PM) dim.civ@gmail.com/gmail.1EC5A8D5: told him we get alpha t63
(7:45:06 PM) dim.civ@gmail.com/gmail.1EC5A8D5: he's asking for more details
(7:45:13 PM) Krill: such as?
(7:46:03 PM) dim.civ@gmail.com/gmail.1EC5A8D5: "are there written treaties" (?)
(7:46:26 PM) Krill: Tell him if he wants one, he can have one...
(7:46:43 PM) Krill: I've been meaning to write a basic agreements for days...
(7:47:11 PM) dim.civ@gmail.com/gmail.1EC5A8D5: ok
(7:48:20 PM) Krill: Everything is down in writing in emails and chats anyway
(7:48:37 PM) Krill: All he is asking for is all of that codified if he wants a treaty
(7:48:58 PM) dim.civ@gmail.com/gmail.1EC5A8D5: is it just nap and tech sharing?
(7:49:26 PM) dim.civ@gmail.com/gmail.1EC5A8D5: not sure what to answer
(7:49:38 PM) Krill: NAP, yes, tech sharing, yes for ancient era techs,
(7:49:43 PM) dim.civ@gmail.com/gmail.1EC5A8D5: military assistance?
(7:50:09 PM) Krill: Jesus he has no tactical or strategic understanding
(7:50:33 PM) Krill: tell him that we envisage some members of the alliance working together militarily
(7:50:41 PM) Krill: for mutual benefit etc
(7:50:58 PM) dim.civ@gmail.com/gmail.1EC5A8D5: mil assistance was my question
(7:51:03 PM) dim.civ@gmail.com/gmail.1EC5A8D5: thinking ahead
(7:51:06 PM) Krill: sorry
(7:51:10 PM) Krill: good idea
(7:51:30 PM) dim.civ@gmail.com/gmail.1EC5A8D5: now he wants to know which civs wanted them...
(7:51:47 PM) Krill: Ask him why he wants to know...
(7:52:46 PM) dim.civ@gmail.com/gmail.1EC5A8D5: itold him it was a general agreement between the founding mmbers
(7:53:04 PM) Krill: It ain't a lie...
(7:53:13 PM) dim.civ@gmail.com/gmail.1EC5A8D5: we don't lie...
(7:53:23 PM) Krill:
(7:53:50 PM) Krill: Do you want to ask him what he has teched?
(7:54:00 PM) dim.civ@gmail.com/gmail.1EC5A8D5: he's in
(7:54:06 PM) Krill: aesome job!
(7:54:14 PM) Krill: and screw the typo
(7:55:19 PM) Krill: Now, when do you want to kill them
(7:55:24 PM) dim.civ@gmail.com/gmail.1EC5A8D5: lo
(7:55:51 PM) dim.civ@gmail.com/gmail.1EC5A8D5: he's been saving gold
(7:56:02 PM) Krill: now that is good...
(7:56:08 PM) Krill: what techs does he have?
(7:56:11 PM) Krill: Does he have pottery?
(7:56:22 PM) Krill: and how where are his eastern scouts?
(7:56:32 PM) Krill: because he is going to have to scout something hardcore
(7:56:47 PM) dim.civ@gmail.com/gmail.1EC5A8D5: yeah i'm going to tell him to send a chariot
(7:56:52 PM) Krill: send 2
(7:56:55 PM) Krill: one east...
(7:57:52 PM) dim.civ@gmail.com/gmail.1EC5A8D5: no horse
(7:57:56 PM) Krill: hmmm
(7:58:07 PM) Krill: tell him to settle it pronto because things are about to get violent
(7:58:20 PM) Krill: well, not so bluntly
(7:59:05 PM) dim.civ@gmail.com/gmail.1EC5A8D5: can i tell him you have writing?
(7:59:29 PM) Krill: yeah
(7:59:39 PM) Krill: don;t say I am the one getting Oracle though
(7:59:56 PM) Krill: He can figure that out for himself
(8:00:10 PM) dim.civ@gmail.com/gmail.1EC5A8D5: check
(8:00:13 PM) Krill: if he asks why you didn;t say, just say that you thought it was implied
(8:00:24 PM) Krill: ie, we aren;t duplicating ancient era research
(8:00:29 PM) Krill: even down to Wheel
(8:00:49 PM) dim.civ@gmail.com/gmail.1EC5A8D5: wants to trade for a chariot...
(8:01:38 PM) dim.civ@gmail.com/gmail.1EC5A8D5: i'll have ottomans give me one
(8:01:55 PM) Krill: hmmm
(8:02:05 PM) Krill: That will take a while
(8:02:13 PM) dim.civ@gmail.com/gmail.1EC5A8D5: i'm going to have him send at least a warrior east
(8:02:32 PM) Krill: he needs contact with Carthage and England too...
(8:02:46 PM) dim.civ@gmail.com/gmail.1EC5A8D5: he'll meet england on the way
(8:02:51 PM) Krill: For Monarchy and Maths,
(8:04:47 PM) dim.civ@gmail.com/gmail.1EC5A8D5: krill can you send a message to all informing them of france's adherence, i won't have the time
(8:04:59 PM) dim.civ@gmail.com/gmail.1EC5A8D5: tell everyone to be extra nice when they meet em
(8:05:08 PM) Krill: Will do
(8:06:08 PM) dim.civ@gmail.com/gmail.1EC5A8D5: he's gonna give him coords to his warrior
(8:06:14 PM) dim.civ@gmail.com/gmail.1EC5A8D5: i'll send him over to meet with england
(8:06:24 PM) Krill: great
(8:06:33 PM) dim.civ@gmail.com/gmail.1EC5A8D5: they then need to liaise with you, india and carthage for a meetup
(8:06:40 PM) dim.civ@gmail.com/gmail.1EC5A8D5: we'll send him north after that
(8:07:22 PM) dim.civ@gmail.com/gmail.1EC5A8D5: *give me coords of his warrior
(8:07:25 PM) Krill: I have a warrior next to Carthage that can be used to meet him. India, well, we'll see.
(8:07:47 PM) dim.civ@gmail.com/gmail.1EC5A8D5: well as long as he meets you three already
(8:07:59 PM) Krill: Yeah, that will be the important techs done
(8:17:01 PM) dim.civ@gmail.com/gmail.1EC5A8D5: he's having a hard time giving me exact coords to his warrior...
(8:17:51 PM) Krill: no reference point?
(8:18:13 PM) Krill: He'll have to use you capital as the reference point
(8:18:32 PM) dim.civ@gmail.com/gmail.1EC5A8D5: gold tile
(8:18:37 PM) Krill: that's the ticket
(8:21:21 PM) dim.civ@gmail.com/gmail.1EC5A8D5: oh man he's far
(8:21:45 PM) dim.civ@gmail.com/gmail.1EC5A8D5: 10 tiles east from the gold tile
(8:22:11 PM) Krill: jesus...
(8:22:37 PM) Krill: what doe he have to his east?
(8:23:43 PM) Krill: He really need to settle horses asap
(8:23:52 PM) dim.civ@gmail.com/gmail.1EC5A8D5: no horses in sightµ
(8:24:05 PM) Krill: what the hell has he been doing...
(8:24:06 PM) dim.civ@gmail.com/gmail.1EC5A8D5: but i'm gathering he hasn't scouted that well...
(8:24:36 PM) Krill: He hasn't dedicated any resources to scouting...
(8:24:49 PM) Krill: otherwise he would have met someone by now
(8:25:12 PM) dim.civ@gmail.com/gmail.1EC5A8D5: he has a unit east
(8:25:19 PM) dim.civ@gmail.com/gmail.1EC5A8D5: pretty far out he says
(8:26:36 PM) dim.civ@gmail.com/gmail.1EC5A8D5: "he needs the warriors around for fogbus"
(8:26:43 PM) dim.civ@gmail.com/gmail.1EC5A8D5: he's gonna build a scout
(8:26:45 PM) dim.civ@gmail.com/gmail.1EC5A8D5: ...
(8:26:48 PM) Krill: idiot
(8:26:57 PM) Krill: there are barb wariors out already
(8:27:10 PM) Krill: it'll get eaten alive
(8:28:35 PM) dim.civ@gmail.com/gmail.1EC5A8D5: ok fuck it, i'm sending his warrior east
(8:29:17 PM) dim.civ@gmail.com/gmail.1EC5A8D5: will i be gifted alpha on t63
(8:29:19 PM) dim.civ@gmail.com/gmail.1EC5A8D5: he means me
(8:29:22 PM) dim.civ@gmail.com/gmail.1EC5A8D5: not him
(8:30:25 PM) Krill: Just say that he'll be gifted every anceitn era tech he can be, but his limited contacts aren't going to make it easy
(8:31:47 PM) dim.civ@gmail.com/gmail.1EC5A8D5: yeah
(8:31:58 PM) dim.civ@gmail.com/gmail.1EC5A8D5: don't think he'll contribute a lot
(8:32:23 PM) Krill: Not at first, but I have an idea of how to make him useful
(8:32:33 PM) dim.civ@gmail.com/gmail.1EC5A8D5: meat shield?
(8:32:45 PM) Krill: Kinda
(8:32:52 PM) Krill: and disposable Currency generator
(8:33:51 PM) dim.civ@gmail.com/gmail.1EC5A8D5: ok
(8:33:55 PM) dim.civ@gmail.com/gmail.1EC5A8D5: done
(8:34:03 PM) dim.civ@gmail.com/gmail.1EC5A8D5: and now i really need to go
(8:34:08 PM) Krill: cya mate
(8:34:15 PM) dim.civ@gmail.com/gmail.1EC5A8D5: later

[Krill]

Email from Carthage...

Krill,

Regarding tech, we both feel pretty confident that we can get the 55 base beakers need to get Maths by turn 69/70.

Regarding the border agreement, we agree that it will be helpful to have one in place with Egypt. We just aren't rushing to an agreement until we are more confident in the agreement we would be making. Perhaps this composite map that we are working will help us out?

Until later,

Mr. Nice Guy for Team Nice Shot

[Krill]

And I get this message from Darrell once I log into Pidgin...not that fussed, at least it keeps a holy city down...

(3/5/2010 3:26:39 AM) Darrell: Incans out...I'll give you the scoop and my read between the lines take tomorrow

[Krill]

So, turn finally roles...This is what I get for not sending the pokes. Hopefully people see this as legitimising "Mah authoritah" to berate the slow players :D

Anyone, the good news: Abba lives, at 1.3 health, and a promotion next turn, most likely to Woody1. I kinda mismoved it, heading SE, but that is partly to gut instinct (something I occasionally use). I didn;t want to heal this turn, so the choice was SW or SE, and I didn't feel that good about SW for some reason...




Gaskin, moves to the east, evading the bear...need to start moving him NE to find the Incans, can't really afford to move much further east anymore...




And here is the bad news. I decided to risk it, and moved Snouty south...and ran into a lion. Could have been worse, a bear or warrior and then I'd have basically a 50/50 chance of winning, this way I have about a 65% chance of survival, but Snouty would have 4XP, and be severly injured, ie anout 5+ turns healing minimum. Which is annoying, attackers getting double the XP because the attacker gambles, but when an explorer gambles, there is no such pay off...although as he is most likely dead, it doesn't really matter.




And here is the city of Lakeview...rather intriguing, it has an irrigated rice, and is on a nice river, so is probably going to contribute enough commerce that Carthage aren't taking the piss with their maths estimate...

[Krill]

So...Mayans sent a chariot south, and have it next to an Indian city (the copper pigs one), which is guarded by a lone warrior. That is a kill at least every 4/5 times for Maya.

Greetings oh people of India. Salthi, our drunken charioteer, has noticed your cute little civilization. Are you good dj's. Do you play classic rock, or do you play crap like Brittney and Hanna Montana or... god forbid... country? Surely Indian's wouldn't play cowboy music?

Anyway, he was thinking of dropping by to have a look for himself, but we convinced him not to. After all, we wouldn't want to commit a diplomatic faux-paw on first contact now would we?

(10:13:07 PM) darrelljs: mayans showed up last turn with a chariot
(10:13:11 PM) darrelljs: nope
(10:13:11 PM) Krill: ugh
(10:13:14 PM) darrelljs: yeah
(10:13:14 PM) Krill: not pretty
(10:13:22 PM) darrelljs: no, they coudl do some damage if they wanted to.
(10:13:23 PM) Krill: thoasand warrior defence
(10:13:28 PM) darrelljs: they made some coy comment
(10:13:37 PM) Krill: do you have a size 2 city?
(10:13:41 PM) Krill: next to them?
(10:13:46 PM) darrelljs: size 1
(10:13:50 PM) Krill: how long until growth?
(10:13:56 PM) darrelljs: seems like they won't do anything
(10:13:58 PM) darrelljs: but who knows
(10:14:01 PM) darrelljs: 2 turns
(10:14:06 PM) darrelljs: chop comes in in 3 turns
(10:14:17 PM) darrelljs: chariot can attack before either
(10:14:26 PM) darrelljs: one warrior in the city, no fortify bonus
(10:14:30 PM) darrelljs: if they attack it, we lose it
(10:14:39 PM) Krill: which city?
(10:14:44 PM) darrelljs: pig/copper
(10:14:44 PM) Krill: copper cioty?
(10:14:46 PM) darrelljs: yeah
(10:15:15 PM) Krill: no way of getting a warrior into the city?
(10:15:30 PM) darrelljs: a second warrior? the nearest one is 3 tiles away
(10:15:41 PM) Krill: ugh
(10:15:58 PM) darrelljs: you are landing the oracle t62 or t63?
(10:16:21 PM) Krill: eot t62
(10:16:28 PM) darrelljs: so tech trades on t63
(10:16:40 PM) Krill: y
(10:16:40 PM) darrelljs: first chariots will be t65
(10:16:43 PM) darrelljs: next t67
(10:16:47 PM) Krill: depends
(10:16:52 PM) Krill: how hard you want to slave
(10:16:52 PM) darrelljs: on the staging tile t69
(10:16:57 PM) darrelljs: road and raze t70
(10:17:15 PM) darrelljs: plan to slave 2 pop and the rest from chops
(10:17:27 PM) darrelljs: gonna be a long 14 turns
(10:17:55 PM) Krill: you can't ask for an NAP
(10:18:07 PM) Krill: You can't ask them in alone
(10:18:34 PM) Krill: Hmmm
(10:18:36 PM) darrelljs: the mayans?
(10:18:38 PM) Krill: yeah
(10:18:46 PM) darrelljs: no, I don't think we can do that
(10:20:19 PM) darrelljs: if they are cutthroat (i.e. competent) and know the ins and outs of the various alliances (i.e. have been paying attention) they will take that city
(10:21:59 PM) Krill: I think you need to try and diplomatically save that city
(10:22:16 PM) darrelljs: yeah
(10:22:23 PM) darrelljs: rego and I are working on a reply
(10:22:27 PM) Krill: Offer the Mayans a them+1 deal, whatever, I don;t really mind gifting out Alphabet to a few more
(10:22:40 PM) Krill: And Mayans are my neighbours as well,
(10:22:46 PM) darrelljs: them+1?
(10:22:49 PM) darrelljs: so mayans are to your south?
(10:22:56 PM) darrelljs: do you know where byz or any of the others are?
(10:22:57 PM) Krill: ie them plus a neighbour, if they can persuade them
(10:23:05 PM) darrelljs: ah
(10:23:16 PM) darrelljs: you mean joining our alliance with one of their neighbors?
(10:23:27 PM) Krill: My understanding is it is Mali/Babylon/Byz/Maya
(10:23:35 PM) Krill: with Maya directly between us two
(10:23:44 PM) Krill: if they can ask 1 other, that does two things
(10:23:48 PM) Krill: it buys you time
(10:23:57 PM) Krill: to get teh extra warriors.
(10:24:04 PM) Krill: 3 warriors and they can;t take the city
(10:24:10 PM) darrelljs: even two is a gamble
(10:24:12 PM) darrelljs: but yeah
(10:24:21 PM) Krill: and we might get an 11v5
(10:24:38 PM) darrelljs: should we invite them only first?
(10:24:42 PM) Krill: Sell it along the lines of simple thinning the crowd
(10:24:54 PM) Krill: You need to do this carefully
(10:25:07 PM) Krill: you ask them alone, looks like you are trying to buy them off, so they don;t attack
(10:25:12 PM) Krill: ie you feel scared of them
(10:25:48 PM) Krill: you ask for them plus one, and you say it is to help them feel safe, that they awill have someone that they trust from the off, while we build relationships between them and the current members
(10:26:00 PM) darrelljs: Cull + RefSteel + Maniac Marshall
(10:26:09 PM) darrelljs: Know anything about any of them?
(10:26:17 PM) Krill: No
(10:26:20 PM) darrelljs: Me neither
(10:26:24 PM) Krill: RefSteel has been a long time lurker
(10:26:25 PM) darrelljs: YOu ahve met them?
(10:26:34 PM) Krill: so has read both my and regoarrarrs threads
(10:27:14 PM) Krill: I haven't met them
(10:27:18 PM) Krill: in game or out of game
(10:27:23 PM) darrelljs: okay
(10:27:34 PM) Krill: I meant of hte forum
(10:27:43 PM) Krill: that Refsteel has seen the ins and outs
(10:27:51 PM) Krill: even if he hasn't played in the games
(10:27:57 PM) Krill: same sort of bopat as Cull
(10:28:14 PM) Krill: I don;t know about MM though
(10:28:30 PM) darrelljs: their email smacked of weirdness and role playing, but who can say
(10:28:38 PM) darrelljs: sure would suck to lose copper city
(10:29:49 PM) darrelljs: we could go vague...soemthing like "you probably heard by now there is an allaince forming. we are still looking to add a member or two. would you be interested, and do you know someone else who might be worth including?"
(10:30:18 PM) Krill: Might be a good way to go
(10:30:27 PM) Krill: but regoarrarr is the slimier diplomacy player
(10:30:33 PM) darrelljs: yeah
(10:30:34 PM) Krill: best ask him how to phrase it
(10:30:39 PM) darrelljs: yup

[Krill]

Ottomans seem to be a little slow...I told them all they need to do is move 6 tiles west.

Hi Krill

I see that you have managed to aquire writing recently and some other
alliance members have OB with you. Would you like an OB agreement?

Do you know where Dantski is located? Valeria has been looking around
for them while dodging barbs but hasn't found them yet. Maybe you can
forward some directions or a screenshot onto them? Valeria is
currently 8N and 3W of your northern sheep tile.

Also, what is everyone else in the alliance going for? Some of the
members of our team would like to know who is going what and you are
the one to ask about that.

Enough Talking!
WarriorKnight of A4

[Krill]

Email to Carthage:

Hi guys,

sorry to send this email so early on a Saturday, but I just saw your workers, and tbh it wasn't a particularly pleasing sight, roading towards your horse in the NW, which you said you hadn't explored enough to negotiate over. I would like to discuss the border treaty with you asap, because there is some rather funky land on my side of the mountains, which I'll explain in a moment. I would like to point out that if you already have designs on settling to the NW, it isn't friendly of you to try and stall someone that has tried to get you into the Alliance, and enable tech trading with you.

FWIW, I have a complete dearth of food resources to my east, that sheep tile near the horse is my only one, which is why I would like to settle it. Before I met you, I saw the nice city location on the plains hill for both the sheep and the horse, but after I met you and realised the horse was so close to your capital, I decided that it wouldn't be worth antagonising someone who could be a good friend in this game over something so trivial, so I decided to pull back.

So, my proposal is this: You want the horses, and I want the sheep. I settle 1NW of the sheep, you settle 1NE of the horse. That gives you a minimum of 8 grassland tiles, and as an EXP leader you can easily get a granary in the city before size 2. If you irrigate a few grasslands, the city will quickly grow to maximum size, when you cottage over most of the farms, and continue to grow at +2/+3 food per turn, and hey presto, you have a great commerce city and horses.

I'm contactable in the usual methods, Gmail or google chat at this addy,

Krill

Along with this screen shot:

[Krill]

Turn report...Damnit, Snouty died but in fact he only had a 56% chance of living...bummer.

Bigger issue was that I found 2 Carthaginian workers roading towards the horse, and I can't have them settling for that sheep, so I initiated diplomacy with them about it as per above. If they dare settle the sheep tile I'm going to be seriously pissed, to the extent that I'm considering breaking the Alliance to take them out, unless they give me a very good reason not to.




Abba scouts a little more. He is now going to heal for another 2 turns, because...




...of the death of snouty if only I'd healed him one more turn, this wouldn't have happened.




And Gaskin is continuing on his travels.

[Krill]

Screen shot from Darrell about the Mayan chariot. I think the copper city is dead, but never know...

[Krill]

Email from Ottomans.

Thanks for the directions. We now have contact with Portugal.

Also we accidentely have 44EP's on you. While you probably don't mind
this too much, we would just like to inform you about this mistake on
our part. Fell free to spend 44EP's on us in return.

Enough Talking!
WarriorKnight of A4

This turn, next turn, and the turn after are going to be slow turns. This turn, got to wait to Maya/India to resolve themselves, next turn I need to go towards the end of the turn (need to make sure that the 3 teams below me have finished moving), t63 is tech trade day. The fast part of the game might be done with, but t60 isn;t a bad turn to finish 2 turns/day, considering a world war is about to erupt.