RBPitboss #2 Athlete4life10 & Kalin

[darrelljs]

I haven't read through your thread yet and in all honesty probably won't find the time for it, but I did want to say that there are definitely no hard feelings. In reality if you hadn't attacked after our founding of Paris I think I would have lost some respect for you .

I do have one question...if we had founded Paris one tile to the west would it have changed your decision to attack? If so, would it have been because we had Copper or because it was less provocative? Okay...three questions . Do you plan on doing anything near term with your massive army?

Darrell

[athlete4life10]

Kalin,

I'll be pretty unavailable until tonight so I'll get caught up then. Just letting you know.

Athlete

[regoarrarr]

A few more questions / comments / thoughts

1) Echo Darrell's question about if Paris was 1W of its current location. We thought long and hard about those 2 spots.

2) I was impressed athlete with your quality of play, especially as compared to the PBEM game. You showed a definite (and sizable) improvement between those 2 games, and I was not the only one who noticed it (several lurkers have commented on it)

3) I was also very impressed with how much of the map you had scouted / revealed (as compared to us). We played conservatively by keeping our first warrior around and it showed in a lack of contacts / map knowledge

4) Probably related to that, you played the diplo game very well. You had more (and earlier) contacts, which was a main reason that I think your attack was pulled off. I still believe (though there are dissenting views from others) that the proper move for Jowy was to prop us up by giving us metal. But you had achieved a better relationship with him and so he was unwilling to do that. I still am not sure what happened with our relationship with Jowy but whatever.... Same with IKZ - why is it in their interests to help you (their neighbor) reach a dominant position? And I think that is coming to roost as (I think) I saw tenative plans in your thread to take them down later on. (a lot of it is running together)

5) Also an apology if I came off too harsh in my post yesterday about the reload. I don't think that you guys fully realize the amount of (in my opinion undeserved) crap that I am getting from folks, in the No Players thread, in our own thread, and even in this thread (mostly not from you two but from other folks like Jowy / IKZ). As an example...

Btw I'm not sure how well you're informed of RPB1 events, but Regoarrar likes to bend the rules quite a bit. I recommend you to check out what he did there to prevent something like that happening to you. And obviously Kalin isn't allowed to check it out so Athlete will have to do that and try not to spoil Kalin Anyway hopefully it'll be a fair fight. Good luck.

WTH? So I feel like I constantly have to be defending myself from (again IMO semi-slanderous) attacks. And the more people talk about it, the more the casual lurker feels like I am just a big cheater-head. Someone that is up on the game and the exact situation might know that I have no malicious intent but the casual lurker just sees the overview and that I am embroiled in a rules "controversy" and just assumes that I am bending the rules and so I get another black mark. Like when we whipped that archer, and Jowy, who hadn't really been following along that much, just says "Oh make them delete the archer" even though it was a misunderstanding and a move that was allowed in other similar games - that was totally out of nowhere.

It's nearly enough to make me want to not play in PB3 because I feel like nobody will give me a fair shake. Maybe since you can see now that I really am just a sweetie at heart you'll ally with us and we'll be so grateful to have any friends that we'll let you win

But anyways....

[kalin]

I'll be pretty unavailable until tonight so I'll get caught up then. Just letting you know.

Unfortunately I will also have a pretty busy day today, but will try to slip in a post or two.

Darrel/Rego: Thanks for your posts, we will reply to them soon.

Kalin

[Ruff_Hi]

See - its TRUE! He admits it.

I am just a big cheater-head

Sorry - totally couldn't resist a little 'out of context' quoting ... mainly because of the use of the phrase big cheater-head :neenernee

Note: The full text is ... So I feel like I constantly have to be defending myself from (again IMO semi-slanderous) attacks. And the more people talk about it, the more the casual lurker feels like I am just a big cheater-head.

[athlete4life10]

Okay I scanned th rough your thread and caught up. I'll be checking in every now and again if there are things you'd like to discuss

Well I'll touch on the rest of your posts and go from there, however Kalin had a thought which I'd like to know if it is correct. We're you planning to Oracle Machinery? Or Metal Casting and then bulb machinery? What was the original intent of the Oracle?

[athlete4life10]

I haven't read through your thread yet and in all honesty probably won't find the time for it, but I did want to say that there are definitely no hard feelings. In reality if you hadn't attacked after our founding of Paris I think I would have lost some respect for you .

I do have one question...if we had founded Paris one tile to the west would it have changed your decision to attack? If so, would it have been because we had Copper or because it was less provocative? Okay...three questions . Do you plan on doing anything near term with your massive army?

Darrell

For me, I'm not sure if I would have attacked had Paris been across the river. Atleast not as early as we did. It wouldn't have been because of copper but b/c it would have been less provocative. Though thinking about that more the addition of copper would have certainly been a deterrent as well.

The massive army is in the process of being divided up. As soon as we established we would be heading for HBR we contacted and arranged a deal with Greece to trade him some military for some workers. That's the simplest answer to your question(s). There's more in the works as well though I'll try and do a complete overview tonight to help get everybody up to speed.

[Krill]

Would that count as spoiler info?

[kalin]

Would that count as spoiler info?

@Krill: Which part?

@Athlete / Byzantium team: My hypothesis was that the Oracle would be used for MC, then with a forge run an engineer and lightbulb machinery with the great engineer. A slower variant would be to build the pyramids, then lightbulb with a second great engineer.

RE: Paris 1-tile west. From my perspective, I think I would have still pushed for an attack. We saw that Inca had a gold close to their capital, and I assumed you had another gold somewhere. As such, I considered that gold next to Paris/Endor to be "ours" and you getting it was provocative enough. In general, settling first, asking questions after is not conducive to peaceful relations, particularly when the settling is our direction.

Kalin

[Krill]

Asking regoarrarr what their plan for the game was. I'm not saying it is, I'm wondering if it would count as spoiler info, and trying to be cautioius that no slip ups happen. There are tangential pieces of infomation that could be alluded to in anything regoarrarr says, that you don't know about.