Mackoti: hi
Seven: hi
so 2 industrious picks
Mackoti: so ind its a big no
right now
Seven: I guess so
Mackoti: so what about
elizabeth
with
the otoman
Seven: you mean pick those two?
Mackoti: yep
Seven: or elizabeth + mehmed
hm
Mackoti: second
eelizabeth mehmed
Seven: well if we had to pick 2 leaders now, I think I would go for that
aren't too many traits we want in spot 1
cre and phi, no
ind, not anymore
spi, I am not sure
main good ones are exp and org I suppose (plus FIN but both those combos are gone)
Mackoti: so you think pick a civ?
Seven: maybe so
looking more at start 2
with high hammers
and gems
I think EXP looks very nice
so peter would be fine
and of course pericles is good
so lots of options there
and if we don't pick a FIN over there, we could pick something like mansa in spot 1, in addition to our other options
and it's ok that he's slow, because we have a fast trait in #2
I was just looking at possible civ combos
without ind I am not such a fan of byzantium
Mackoti: me neither
Seven: (also because it's nice to be flexible)
Mackoti: will be hard to role those knigs
Seven: I think starting without mysticism will give us the best result
get all worker techs asap
and for religion we can get CoL or judaism
Mackoti: then cre will be good
or very good
Seven: yeah
so I think best civ combos with 4 non myst/hunting techs are
agri/wheel civ
plus fish/mining
Mackoti: i can bet comodore will take joa if its free
Seven: for latter probably england or rome
former we could go with egypt/sumeria
ok, so that was how far I got thinking
what do you think?
I am liking more and more the thought of peter in #2 actually
or I suppose we could consider suryavarman...
Mackoti: i am not giving up on lizie
so easy
Seven: ok
Mackoti: we could go
mehmed sumeria
now
and see for the other
Seven: let's see
I bet one of the industrious teams at least plans to get mali
so at most two other teams will pick fish/mining civs before our turn again
I would suppose
might be rome and england, then we are left with carthage or portugal
I guess that's worth it to reserve mehmed
unless we can think of other compelling leaders to put there
I guess, basically if we are willing to put a spiritual leader in #1 we aren't in a hurry to get mehmed
or joao
btw earlier I thought maybe charismatic could be nice. but without chance of henge, I guess it's bad
Mackoti: yep
not good
again which are the downside of Mehmed/lizie pick now?
Seven: good civs get taken
Mackoti: aha
what civs we want?
Seven: everyone else will have 2 more picks between now and our next
if we go with mehmed
I suppose sumeria goes there
so rome and england are not so impressive
so I don't know in that case
unless we want sumeria for lizzie instead
Mackoti: not bad
Seven: and mehmed to build courthouses at code of laws
Mackoti: cheaper courhose
Seven: if we want courthouses everywhere that's the way to do it
not sure if it's worth it though
Mackoti: i can bet the ind civ will pick liziie
Seven: really?
Mackoti: bismark
its a strong combo
who picked bismark?
Seven: I would guess they pick hannibal
HHHH
Mackoti: aha
might
Seven: new players + serdoa
Mackoti: aha
serdoa got IND?
he said its realy bad
Seven: no, I think he said a couple times he was really tired of playing it
Mackoti: so you think we have a shot to get lizie next turn of pickings?
Seven: well
let's see
Mackoti: comm will take joa
Seven: yeah first team will not take lizzie
Mackoti: hhh hanibal
Seven: I can't believe they will go for something that slow
RMOG with huayna, hm
Mackoti: mehmed
Seven: do you think they picked huayna for techer?
Mackoti: yep
Seven: yeah me too
Mackoti: they wil get mehmed
Seven: I think there is a decent chance no one picks lizzie
but also a chance someone will
I suppose we should take her if we like her a lot more than the other options
Mackoti: they go for oracle
Seven: peter, pericles, surya
Mackoti: and will try to get sumeria to
ind gets oracle
Seven: yeah I think there is almost zero chance we could get sumeria if we don't pick it now
Mackoti: comm will pick HRE
the landsket civ
which i think with darious its excelent
Seven: yeah
Mackoti: so lets not keep folks to much
do your proposal
and lest go from there
Seven: whats my proposal?
Mackoti: what you consider good
i said
mehamed
lizzie
Seven: you think we should pick those two right now?
Mackoti: this is what i am thinking...
what you consider we should pick?
Seven: I think we should first consider what civs we will get in that case
I doubt we can get sumeria
I guess we'd get to choose one of egypt/ottomans/france
and get rome or england, whichever is left
possibly we get less choice than that
does that seem all right?
Mackoti: yep
Seven: ok
Mackoti: otomans france are good
egypt too
Seven: yes
I agree
ok, that works for me
btw
which civ would you prefer to play?
Mackoti: i supose we will play both and bounce ideeas for every civ
Seven: that's possible... I kind of expect us to each log in more as one than the other though
Mackoti: i dont have a favorite
you can pick yours
Seven: ok
I don't either
we can figure it out later then
I believe I want to post this in our own forum first
see if anyone has any comments
Mackoti: ok
Seven: I don't think RMOG will be ready anyway
Mackoti: lets wait a litle
Seven: nighttime for at least some of them
Mackoti: perhaps some other toughs will came
Seven: yeah
Mackoti: changet my ind
lest pick sumeria
will be very useful
Seven: isntead of what?
Mackoti: lizie
pericle its not worse
than her
Seven: ok
works for me
Mackoti: having axes which have good odss on chariots
and war chariost
and skirmishers
its very good
Seven: yes
