[Lurkers] Putting the Old Fogeys into a List

[darrelljs]

Who else has to concede, though? That's kind of it...

Darrell

[Mjmd]

Superdeath hadn't decided we were the boogeyman from minute one

I mean one of the disadvantages to Byzantium is that from minute 1 people are incentivized to contest you. As we know humans very naturally keep their initial impressions even despite contrary evidence. Which as discussed SD bordered both major powers. Was kind of a damned either way situation, but he correctly analyzed the greatest threat was Byzantium who had been planning to attack him.... (SD then poorly executed attack in timing and strategy, but still).

[Old Harry]

Who else has to concede, though?  That's kind of it...

Darrell

We should probably check with Bob.

[Amicalola]

So Superdeath, who for some reason has had it out for us all game while ignoring that Lewwyn has been in first place since the beginning, somehow coordinates with Lewwyn enough that he has 6 cats and a CKN to throw into our 10 longbows behind walls at Crystal Veins so that Lewwyn doesn't lose a single knight in the attack.  I'm sure someone will ride on in their white horse to explain how this is anything other than kingmaking, but I don't really give a fuck.

Um. What? I don't want to be the exact guy that Gaspar mentions I suppose, which is why I'm asking here. But how is it weird that instead of attacking the guy he's had a friendly border with virtually all game, SD decided to attack the person who has literally eaten half his empire? And the people saying 'yeah, we get it, SD sure is wacky,' how is this an undeserved or unexpected play by SD? Genuine question.

[Commodore]

So Superdeath, who for some reason has had it out for us all game while ignoring that Lewwyn has been in first place since the beginning, somehow coordinates with Lewwyn enough that he has 6 cats and a CKN to throw into our 10 longbows behind walls at Crystal Veins so that Lewwyn doesn't lose a single knight in the attack.  I'm sure someone will ride on in their white horse to explain how this is anything other than kingmaking, but I don't really give a fuck.

Um. What? I don't want to be the exact guy that Gaspar mentions I suppose, which is why I'm asking here. But how is it weird that instead of attacking the guy he's had a friendly border with virtually all game, SD decided to attack the person who has literally eaten half his empire? And the people saying 'yeah, we get it, SD sure is wacky,' how is this an undeserved or unexpected play by SD? Genuine question.

The YOLO RNG going by the name "Superdeath" did kind of kingmake by conflicting with NoGas over Lewwyn, but that bad blood/skirmishing started a long long time ago. Certainly I don't see this as an unusual or unfair thing.

[pindicator]

I wonder if my screwing up the shiny metal situation between Lewwyn & Superdeath influenced it any. Less stuff for them to conflict over. (I still don't know how 1 of the gold that was supposed to be between them ended up being in Lewwyn's south....)

[NobleHelium]

So Superdeath, who for some reason has had it out for us all game while ignoring that Lewwyn has been in first place since the beginning, somehow coordinates with Lewwyn enough that he has 6 cats and a CKN to throw into our 10 longbows behind walls at Crystal Veins so that Lewwyn doesn't lose a single knight in the attack.  I'm sure someone will ride on in their white horse to explain how this is anything other than kingmaking, but I don't really give a fuck.

Um. What? I don't want to be the exact guy that Gaspar mentions I suppose, which is why I'm asking here. But how is it weird that instead of attacking the guy he's had a friendly border with virtually all game, SD decided to attack the person who has literally eaten half his empire? And the people saying 'yeah, we get it, SD sure is wacky,' how is this an undeserved or unexpected play by SD? Genuine question.

The YOLO RNG going by the name "Superdeath" did kind of kingmake by conflicting with NoGas over Lewwyn, but that bad blood/skirmishing started a long long time ago. Certainly I don't see this as an unusual or unfair thing.

I don't understand where these statements come from. I would say we intentionally delayed the founding of Lioneye's Watch so that he would retain ownership over the silver, and we only counterattacked after he attacked us twice. We never initiated any hostilities towards SD.

The fact that you are so eager to paint us the bad guys is why Gaspar will never read this thread.

[NobleHelium]

I read through the thread. I of course stand by my earlier statement that granaries sucked for us in the game. But I wasn't saying that we were going to build other infrastructure over granaries, that would be ludicrous. Infrastructure in general is way overvalued. We did build one forge before the granary in Broken Bridge though.

I've already mentioned this before but yes Fintourist was absolutely on the mark that the Byzantium pick was terrible given the circumstances. And that's also why it would be absolutely silly to apply any more nerfs to Byzantium.

I would not have criticized what we saw of Rusten's micro given our overall lack of information as Gaspar did. Sometimes Gaspar is just looking for content to post, don't take him too seriously. Only take me seriously - I am always serious. Except when I am not. But anyway, Gaspar and most likely myself aren't going to play any more games. RB is still largely the same as when we left it, just the clothes worn by the players are a bit different. I am saying this not because of the ending of the game, but I've come to this conclusion over the last several months.

[Commodore]

The YOLO RNG going by the name "Superdeath" did kind of kingmake by conflicting with NoGas over Lewwyn, but that bad blood/skirmishing started a long long time ago. Certainly I don't see this as an unusual or unfair thing.

I don't understand where these statements come from.  I would say we intentionally delayed the founding of Lioneye's Watch so that he would retain ownership over the silver, and we only counterattacked after he attacked us twice.  We never initiated any hostilities towards SD.

The fact that you are so eager to paint us the bad guys is why Gaspar will never read this thread.

I don't think anyone is painting you guys as bad? Appreciate the fun game to lurk, everyone.

[Amicalola]

I don't understand where these statements come from.  I would say we intentionally delayed the founding of Lioneye's Watch so that he would retain ownership over the silver, and we only counterattacked after he attacked us twice.  We never initiated any hostilities towards SD.

The fact that you are so eager to paint us the bad guys is why Gaspar will never read this thread.

I apologise if it came across that way; if so, it was unintentional. I think you guys played a good game and have had a good thread to lurk. You've also played a lot more Civ than me, and were in this game itself. I just found the sentiment quite confusing, and wanted to ask what others thought about it.

I guess what confuses me is this; I don't think SD being paranoid about a more-powerful Byzantine neighbour en-route to cataphracts is weird. 'Attack before cataphracts' has been oft-proposed here as the best counter to Byzantium. SD choosing to retake a city, rather than expose that flank further by attacking the other direction, feels even less weird. Basically I wanted to find out if I was in the minority or majority, and if I was missing something.

I hope you guys still had fun with the game despite the ending.