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[SPOILERS] scooter's Diplomatic Immunity

Spring 1904

I built up in the north to help deal with that front, so that left us with the following situation going into the Spring turn.





I had some concerns for this turn.


1) What if Germany does something wild like move into Galacia?

2) What if France and England make up somehow? I have good numbers in the north, but not enough to handle all 3 of them.


For #1, here's some chatting through it as we debated as a team some options.









Basically the conclusion was that if I was careful, the upside for me was arguably better if he tried it, so we should be OK.


As for France/England, you can see some of my work with England in the previous post.





I was probably overly paranoid, so I followed up a couple times to confirm. This all lead to the Spring turn.





Note on retreats: Swe -> Nwy, Eng -> Wal, Sil -> Mun


Anyway, a lot to break down here. Let's start just with the relevance to me. I didn't quite expect the Sweden capture from Germany. Obviously in the spring it's fine, and it's an easy retake in the fall, but it was mildly annoying. It's also just the cost of using Nth to support England. I did successfully take Ska, which will let me exert a lot of control over Germany going forward.


As for the center, Germany and I just did a positioning shuffle, really. The Italian army in Tyr is a bit of a nuisance, and I'll be happy to see it gone soon.





This is the situation headed into the Fall. Let's talk about the gamestate, because it's in an interesting spot. I think the TL;DR is we've been on a death march to a Russia-Turkey-France lategame, and I think everyone knows it. Italy and Germany arae working together a little bit just to prolong things, but neither are really talking a lot as best I can tell. The biggest thing is my hopes for the Western Theater have all come true. Ideally England/France/Germany want to land on a 2v1 and get a quick kill. Instead, they've stabbed each other repeatedly for limited value, and now they all distrust each other, and here at the end of the 4th year, we're still nowhere near a resolution here. It's perfect. Pindicator and I began talking again, and you can see his frustration here bubbling out.






I'm of two minds here for Pindicator. On the one hand, I think he got really unlucky. His two neighbors have been the most challenging to deal with. England was generally tough to work with for everyone it seems, and Germany has played mega cautiously and not really committed to anything. That's unfortunate. However, it's also true that he's stabbed England 1-2 times (depending on how you count) and has not a ton to show for it. He seemed to switch from an EF to an FG without the FG actually lined up properly? Either that, or his stab was simply not strong enough. I try to limit my stabs to really count. I think my only truly dastardly stab was the one on Italy, but that had massive impact for my alliance, so it was obviously worth it. (Selling out Nauf's moves to Turkey is a mild one too, but again, it got my ally an extra build in 1901 and secured our dominance.)


In any case, I've been talking to France this year, which anyone lurking will have noticed.





I imagine there's some lurkers wondering how serious I am. The funny answer: I don't know! Practically, I think some talking with France has a few effects.


1) If I think the game could devolve into Russia/Turkey/France, it's beneficial to me to be the "swing vote" on the inevitable 2v1. I'd rather them be vying for me to be on their side vs the other way around.


2) Maybe I get useful info out of him. In other words, maybe he tells me too much, and I can use it against him. This is unlikely, but you never know. This kind of fishing expedition is how the Italy stab materialized out of thin air


3) Maybe I want to stab Turkey soon and really throw in with France? Probably not. But maybe? It's good to at least check it out, even if I really do want to keep the alliance chugging.


In general I'm pretty committed to my ally here. But the truth is there's nothing to discuss with Germany/Italy for obvious reasons, and while I'm propping up Adrien, that has limited upside. France is the other remaining player with a lot of agency left, even if we're getting a wave of Pindicator Despair. So it's important to keep the phone lines warm.
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Thanks! Do you anticipate gaining, losing, or staying constant for centers this year?
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We're hoping for an opening in Germany, but most likely we'll be staying constant. My personal feeling is that Germany is prioritizing defending against us over France.
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(May 25th, 2025, 00:51)sunrise089 Wrote: Thanks! Do you anticipate gaining, losing, or staying constant for centers this year?


(May 25th, 2025, 05:33)Tarkeel Wrote: We're hoping for an opening in Germany, but most likely we'll be staying constant. My personal feeling is that Germany is prioritizing defending against us over France.


Yeah it's difficult to see a +1 this year. Obviously we can knock Germany off Sweden, but we can't take a German center unless we have some luck. The hard fact is Germany can defend against us this year, but probably cannot stop France taking Holland, so why wouldn't he cut his losses and defend against us? So, it's more about positioning.


I'm considering a few scenarios to try to pick up a center. I've half considered something wild like Nth-Bel in hopes that Pindicator takes Holland with his Belgium army, but it's hard to actually talk myself into submitting that order because you really want to be confident to try something like that. I think the most likely outcome is no gain for me this year.
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Fall 1904





This is where we left off. I was hoping to take a center off Germany this year, but it was looking unlikely. Here's some initial discussion:






This was Plan A. However, I started to get a little twitchy. The concern here is Turkey was going to get a build, and I was already a little vulnerable to him in the south. What happens if he stabs and builds in the Black Sea in the winter? Some discussion of this with an example of what that might look like:









I wavered a lot, but I ultimately went with this route. I also spent some time doing diplo with France, and we landed on a sort of agreement/framework to split Germany.





If you followed in the Discord, this came after a humorous weekend where neither one of us wanted to speak first, and also we were both busy with other things, which led to like 36 hours of "I dunno, what do you think?"


From my POV, I wanted a backup ally if Turkey stabs me. It's entirely possible of course that the two of them have already worked something out, but if that's true, all the more reason to try to get my own arrangement. If Turkey sticks with me, I'll simply stab France, and who cares about the agreed-on split. But if Turkey stabs me, I have a Plan B here. And if they both stab me, well, it's Diplomacy, what do you expect?


That leads us to the actual moves for the Fall.





I picked up a build via Edi, but the story of this turn was what's going on in France? He straight up decided not to take Holland, which was free. Mar-Gas is a weird move all-around. I was genuinely confused here. Did France stab me here? Did he think it was better for Germany to be full strength for another year at the cost of a build for himself? Or did he just screw up?





I'm not totally sure how much I buy this. It's laying it on a little thick. We were pretty split on what happened here.









I have landed on this was probably a stunt. But I'm definitely not confident in that. It clouds things a bit that Pindicator is apparently traveling some, and he did genuinely have a tricky call to make on the right way to take Holland, so if he changed his mind a couple times and was entering moves on his phone, I can see it. But it looks incredibly suspect to me.


Everything else was more or less as-suspected. Really need to clear Germany/Italy off the map and get to the endgame before something funny happens.
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What happened with your fleet trying to move Skaggerak to Baltic? That's not a legal move (spaces aren't adjacent), was that a mistake or some kind of ruse?
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(May 29th, 2025, 11:16)T-hawk Wrote: What happened with your fleet trying to move Skaggerak to Baltic?  That's not a legal move (spaces aren't adjacent), was that a mistake or some kind of ruse?


What happened is I'm a big dumb-dumb.
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Alright, there's a burning question you all have that I need to clarify. I've even been explicitly asked to clarify it in my thread. It stems from a tense conversation with France. You in the discord all already know what question I'm referring to. And that question is...





What am I talking about here?


Food: Ceilings and Floors

Pizza is a textbook High Floor Low Ceiling food. By that I mean - it's really hard to mess up pizza. It requires active sabotage to be truly terrible. The great thing about choosing pizza as a food option is that 99% of the time, the worst-case scenario is it'll be fine. Have no choice but Little Caesars? It's fine. You won't be mad afterwards. Frozen pizza? Literally just follow the instructions and it'll be ok. You won't even remember eating it tomorrow. It even reheats better than most foods, especially if you're willing to wait a few extra minutes for the oven. The way I think of a high floor food is if you told 16 year old me "eat pizza tonight" could I find a way to do it without incident? Absolutely. It also gets the Low Ceiling tag for I think obvious reasons. Sure there exists pizza places with excellent or even memorable pizza. But at the end of the day, it is just pizza. If you cannot reasonably pay 15-20x the Big Mac Index for a high quality version of a food and feel it was well worth it, it's Low Ceiling.


The polar opposite of this is I think clearly a steak. Steak is a Low Floor High Ceiling food. If you asked me what's the best steak I've ever had, 2-3 specific places/times come to mind and I could describe them each in detail. A truly great steak is an experience. But man is it easy to mess it up. A disappointing steak can outright piss you off. Imagine you are at a restaurant that does not specialize in steak, but it does serve steak. You know deep down that the very act of ordering the steak is playing roulette with your entire evening. Feeling lucky?


There's two other categories here that I think are harder to nail down, but I've made the attempt because I give the people what they want.

High Floor, High Ceiling: Pasta. Admittedly this is more of a category than a food, but I think it works. It's pretty hard to screwup the basics here. Boil some spaghetti and throw red sauce on it and you've got a perfectly acceptable thing to eat, and basically any place that serves it will do at minimum an OK job. It passes the 16 year old test pretty well I think. It's also got a huge ceiling - the best pasta is truly great.


Low Floor, Low Ceiling: Sandwich - a suggestion by the person who prompted this very silly post who I'll let decide if they want to be anonymous or not. Now, it might be tempting to hear "low floor low ceiling" and think I'm saying this is bad. Not even close. It's probably the thing I eat the most as I make myself one for lunch several times a week, and any establishment deli/sub adjacent is usually a winner for me. But it's totally possible to screw up, and let's be real, no fine dining establishments do BLTs. (This may or may not be bait from me hoping to be proven wrong.) There's a reason it's traditionally thought of as a lunch food, not a dinner food.


I suppose I probably have to include a caveat that the specific examples are maybe a pretty US-centric take on food, but the idea of low/high floor/ceiling foods is universal.
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Counter point: according to the food cube rule a burger is a sandwich and that can be high ceiling.

Also, my bacon and sandwiches are sublime.
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you know, if you're fishing for lurker activity, and the other players see it in the thread listing, they'll assume you must be up to something big...

...so I'll pile on since it would be hilarious if someone did think that
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