[SPOILERS - NO PLAYERS] Tittle-tattle and other gossip

[Hollybombay]

Seems JR4 doesnt want to trust SD much.

[Old Harry]

Physics just came in and I won the GS. Predictably, but unfortunately, uranium was under a town in the BFC of the capital so mining it is out of the question.

Is this a version of rtr where towns give access to strategics resources? I think that's an obscure enough change that it'd be okay to tell wetbandit...

[naufragar]

I don't think this version has that. According to PBSpy, they're running RtR 4.0.8.5, which is really 2.0.8.5 with the Ramkh PB Mod. The village change wasn't until 4.1.1.6. But I can't swear to any of this. Very confusing.

[Krill]

I think every mod version that has permanent towns or villages also has those improvements give access to the late game resources.

That said, I'm sure this mod version had pillageable towns.

[Hollybombay]

Pretty sure he just wants to continue having a capital town.

[Hollybombay]

In order to have any chance of winning we need to get a 2 against 1 going immediately. Wetbandit isn`t doing much to help us out and I don`t think Donovan or Superdeath are anywhere near interested in helping us by attacking Mr. Cairo.

I think it`s likely that everyone else has conceded to Mr. Cairo already but I`m not 100 % sure.

AI-diplo rules are quite fun to watch but also frustrating.

[naufragar]

I don't get it. Everyone seems to think two things. "If we don't dogpile Cairo, I lose." And "Nobody else is going to attack Cairo first." From those two premises, at least some people have concluded "Therefore I should give up" and not "Therefore I should attack first."

[Krill]

The stupid thing is a culture win can be seen a mile off and is arguably the easiest win to play out so there is no reason to ever concede.

And as the clock ticks down each player gets kicked to invade anyway, and the pressure stops stupid back stabs because the CV will out pace any other benefits.

[Chevalier Mal Fet]

Like I said last week, at this point the game has become a massive multi-sided prisoner's dilemma, and no one trusts anyone else not to defect, so everyone's mashing the defect button as hard as they can.

With the result, of course, being that Mr. Cairo isn't exactly cruising or even sauntering towards victory, but just sidling along towards it while glancing around at everyone else and daring someone to try and stop him.

The situation neatly summed up.

[naufragar]

I disagree that this a prisoner's dilemma. You mentioned a game of chicken, and I think that makes more sense. In a prisoner's dilemma, the conservative play is the winning play. You assume that the other person is going to defect (i.e. not take the risk), so you defect too. Here we've got the opposite. Here you have to assume that because your partner isn't going to take a risk and trust you, you have to be the one to take the risk. I guess my point is that if this were a true prisoner's dilemma, this hesitancy would be the correct play, but I can't believe that's right.